Topic: England vs Sri Lanka - ODI's (Read 36978 times)

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #285 on:** December 16, 2014, 03:23:30 PM »

Only game in which Morgan has scored runs and looked like a batsman was when Cook was suspended, only time when Cook has scored runs is not this series or even year....should sum that up...watched highlights of all odi's last night (slow night) and the Game when Morgan was captain looked like the only game where England looked somewhat like a decent ODI side...outsiders point of view that's all...Don't know if Hales is the answer but he deserves a run of atleast 1 full series without the fear of being dropped to truly judge him...he probably feels a lot of pressure but also does not look fully ready yet, could just be due to insecurities.

TBONTB · « **Reply #286 on:** December 16, 2014, 04:09:46 PM »

The guy that runs the corner shop just down the road from me is Sri Lankan and for the past weeks he has been taking the piss each time I go in! After todays performance he will have a field day!!! Awful Awful batting and a woeful bowling display so much too short and smashed away! I know they might have bowling plans etc but they seem so unwilling to change them once they are not working!

Stuey · « **Reply #287 on:** December 17, 2014, 12:30:50 PM »

Anyone see the Sky post match interview with Cook last night, he looked shot to me. The selectors need to whip him out of the ODI team and media spot light so he is ready for Ashes. He is a good bloke and test player, but the current situation is doing him no favours, nor our chances of beating the Aussies next summer.

ppccopener · « **Reply #288 on:** December 17, 2014, 12:47:35 PM »

yeah Stuey, Cook is generally not popular and i'm sure you read social media...the subject of the most depressing stuff about an England captain since god knows when-there are so many so called experts who have to say something to get attention and justify their �100k a year Sky pays them(maybe some of that money could be invested back into grass roots)-personally as an England fan I see a bloke doing his best and trying to deveolp the team-the problem is he is not a natural in the role.but no one can question his guts or determination-the same qualities he shows in test match cricket are also his weakness-his inflexibility. Even half baked average county players like Simon Hughes are jumping on the bandwagon
I'm sure people are fed up with my posts but I soley blame the management,they lashed up KP's sacking and hid behind 'putting all our eggs in the AC basket'
Cook wont make it to the World Cup, he is knackered,worn out and fed up with the negativity

If we are not careful we will lose Cook the test player too,what are the management of England doing? are they really looking after his interests.....?

uknsaunders · « **Reply #289 on:** December 17, 2014, 03:42:46 PM »

Morgan for Captain, Colly as coach and bring back KP. Moores, Downton, Cook can be left to play with the test team.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #290 on:** December 17, 2014, 05:21:03 PM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on December 17, 2014, 03:42:46 PM

Morgan for Captain, Colly as coach and bring back KP. Moores, Downton, Cook can be left to play with the test team.

hold on.. I'd rather they play with the Limited overs rubbish than the test side!!!

Buzz · « **Reply #291 on:** December 17, 2014, 10:01:15 PM »

none of this is Cook's fault, it is entirely Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
the whole thing is now very sad.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #292 on:** December 18, 2014, 09:20:24 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on December 17, 2014, 10:01:15 PM

none of this is Cook's fault, it is entirely Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
the whole thing is now very sad.

I Dunno, Cook seems to have had the chance to stand up for what's best for English cricket and hasn't.. Dereliction of duty and so becomes partly to blame as well. He could have stood by KP against the ecb... He could have stepped down as ODI skipper.... He could speak openly and honestly to the public... None of this he's done. He's pandered to the ecb and so that is why he is as much to blame. If follow your boss even if you know it's wrong and you don't challenge it.. You are as much to blame as them.

joeljonno · « **Reply #293 on:** December 18, 2014, 09:42:47 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on December 18, 2014, 09:20:24 AM

I Dunno, Cook seems to have had the chance to stand up for what's best for English cricket and hasn't.. Dereliction of duty and so becomes partly to blame as well. He could have stood by KP against the ecb... He could have stepped down as ODI skipper.... He could speak openly and honestly to the public... None of this he's done. He's pandered to the ecb and so that is why he is as much to blame. If follow your boss even if you know it's wrong and you don't challenge it.. You are as much to blame as them.

Rubbish, in my opinion. Why would you resign and lose all that match fee and captaincy money when it was the management decision to appoint you? No-one in their right mind would step down, especially when the person who would take over captaincy has performed even worse than yourself in the last 12 months.

Regarding the ECB, no-one really knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe there is part of Cook's contract that does not permit him to do or say anything without ECB approval.

When KP got himself sacked, if Cook had stood up for him, he might have gone as well.

If you want someone to blame, it is the management team that pick the captain and the team, you can't blame Cook.

Cook averages more than either Morgan or Hales.

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Seniorplayer · « **Reply #294 on:** December 18, 2014, 12:10:27 PM »

If you are not contributing and not worth your place in the side you lead by example by doing the right thing for the team and step down.

joeljonno · « **Reply #295 on:** December 18, 2014, 12:39:04 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 18, 2014, 12:10:27 PM

If you are not contributing and not worth your place in the side you lead by example by doing the right thing for the team and step down.

And what do you rate by not contributing?

If he goes off his own back, could you say that Hales and Morgan should also say that they are not contributing?

What about Finn or Tredwell? Neither took more than 5 wickets over 5 games. That's not really contributing.

And Stokes failed with everything too.

So all those guys should step down?

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edge · « **Reply #296 on:** December 18, 2014, 12:48:30 PM »

Quote from: joeljonno on December 18, 2014, 12:39:04 PM

And what do you rate by not contributing?

If he goes off his own back, could you say that Hales and Morgan should also say that they are not contributing?

What about Finn or Tredwell? Neither took more than 5 wickets over 5 games. That's not really contributing.

And Stokes failed with everything too.

So all those guys should step down?

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None of them are captain. Also Finn, Tredwell, Stokes and Hales have all been dropped at some point in this series! (In any case, wickets are not necessarily an indicator of performance in ODIs) Morgan at least had one decent knock.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #297 on:** December 18, 2014, 02:00:05 PM »

Morgan won us a t20 in September as well.

To me the ECB wanted Moores back and Flower still involved, therefore KP had to go. Once the "runs" dried up - he was our leading run scorer in the ashes, they pushed him out so Moores could have an easy ride. Quite what part Cook played in all this I don't know. However he does seem to be the poster child for the new era and sacking him for being a rubbish ODI player would be admitting failure on the ECB's part. In turn it will raise questions about Moores performance, 12 months back in the job and he's lost all the ODI series he's played.

On balance I suspect Giles was kicked out as much for being Pro KP as his general performance, though losing to the Netherlands wasn't a great career move.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #298 on:** December 18, 2014, 04:04:09 PM »

Quote from: joeljonno on December 18, 2014, 09:42:47 AM

Rubbish, in my opinion. Why would you resign and lose all that match fee and captaincy money when it was the management decision to appoint you? No-one in their right mind would step down, especially when the person who would take over captaincy has performed even worse than yourself in the last 12 months.

Regarding the ECB, no-one really knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe there is part of Cook's contract that does not permit him to do or say anything without ECB approval.

When KP got himself sacked, if Cook had stood up for him, he might have gone as well.

If you want someone to blame, it is the management team that pick the captain and the team, you can't blame Cook.

Cook averages more than either Morgan or Hales.

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respectfully agree to disagree. I believe if you are playing 'for the team' then you would do what is best for that team and quit/speak up etc.. ok, so he'd lose a bit of cash.. he's not poor!! a few k won't affect him either way. If he's that hell bent on money then he deserves everything he gets.

I know the Ecb are more to blame and I've said before that everyone involved in the ECB should go, anyone that's brought into their pathways etc over the last 8 years is also at fault. Cook however, you would hope would, as a player.. know what is really needed and would be unselfish enought o say so.. he doesn't rely after all on the ECB, if he went to the media and said 'they've kicked me out for speaking out', think of hte uproar.. the ECB couldn't have that. KP isn't liked by 50% of England fans and look at the mess that's had them in, imagine if Cook or someone liked spoke out.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #299 on:** December 18, 2014, 04:12:46 PM »

Not contributing scoring runs or taking wickets. Also we should stick with Finn Hales and Stokes and give them a run in the side as they are the future.
Morgan has shown he can be a ODI match winner.
Tredwell shouldn't really be in the side but who else is there ?.

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