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[Kez]

This new grill design is insufficiently covering the impact area of the fatal delivery to Phil Hughes'. As things stand, upgrading to the new grill design will not make any difference.

I just want to see a completely new helmet design. Helmet manufacturers should look at baseball helmets which provide good protection.

I can't see a baseball style helmet covering the area poor Phillip Hughes was struck.


Even this modified helmet that Jason Heyward wears to cover his jaw I don't think would cover it

[InternalTraining]

Good picture.

If baseball is also falling short of providing good coverage, than cricket can lead the way. We need better helmets.

[edge]

That looks like it covers the area of impact to me? You're not gonna be able to protect the full neck, but that definitely looks like it covers the entire cranium. Would be interested to see a cricket/baseball hybrid helmet, you could even potentially put a certain style into it. Only potential problem is restricted movement but given the baseball guys have no problem with it it's presumably not too far away from what you'd need for cricket.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Do baseball players keep their helmet on after they have hit the ball to run in?

In baseball their is either a full blooded swing or a bunt as far as my knowledge goes, I'm sure we have a few people on here that have a superior knowledge (Johnny) but there isn't the vast array of shots to cater for like there is in cricket in regards to the range of movement required when wearing the helmet.

It's obviously a hot topic currently but imo the area that is/was exposed is done so by turning your head away from the ball which is natural instinct when an object is likely to strike you.

Without having something that's fully covering the head like a la crosse helmet these areas will always be exposed.

[Kez]

Attempt 2 on the picture as the sizing was "interesting"

Yes they have to run in the helmets and true its a full swing/ bunt.
And MLB batting helmets only usually cover one ear as well.But the helmet is modified, as the player had his jaw broken by a pitch.

[skip1973]

Time wearing it is a consideration as well, baseballers don't bat for hours on end. I know it's human nature to want someone/something to blame but this was just a horrible accident, cricketers have died from being struck in the heart but it's rare to see players in a chest guard because of the bulk. Knowing Hughes a little he wouldn't be blaming anyone.

[Over Gully]

Time wearing it is a consideration as well, baseballers don't bat for hours on end. I know it's human nature to want someone/something to blame but this was just a horrible accident, cricketers have died from being struck in the heart but it's rare to see players in a chest guard because of the bulk. Knowing Hughes a little he wouldn't be blaming anyone.

I agree. Baseball is a sport where that batters are only at bat for a short period of time, whereas a cricket batsman could be at the crease for many hours. A baseball style helmet with the ears/neck covered would certainly provide less comfort and probably be harder in hotter conditions to bear with. It is a tragedy what happened, I like what Masuri have done with their 2014 range where the grill does swoop lower and cover more of that vulnerable neck/ear area, however as mentioned we will never know if that may have saved Phil's life. I do have the identical model that Hughes used in his final innings, I will buy a new lid with the 2014 style grill but I don't particularly want the Vision series as they are some 200g heavier.

[JG]

Just found this

If anyone saw the lid that Virat Kohli is currently wearing in the test you can see that his has a slight slant backwards, toward the back of the head and then plateauing at the jawline to create a slightly greater coverage in and around the neck area as can be seen here (if it works)...:

Surely if you incorporated the design of both the updated masuri with whatever integrated grille style Kohli has (or even any of the albions) then you would surely see a more protected area that may have prevented the impact leading to the passing of Phil Hughes. As, in effect the helmet would have an extra couple of cm's to the overall coverage of the back portion of the grille just from a simple backward slant. I do understand that Masuri try to find a medium between high-impact protection and aesthetically pleasing helmets and the 2014 range makes a step towards improving the protection whilst maintaining the classic Masuri appearance.

I've got one of the new one's with the eyeline bar in the steel version and after having the old elite, you cannot actually notice any sizeable difference in weight so i wouldn't really say theres 200g in it, but that may be because it feels more comfortable on the head after being smaller than previous years. I will post up pictures of both side-by-side if anyone wants with the scales in shot to compare and contrast physically.

[Over Gully]

If anyone saw the lid that Virat Kohli is currently wearing in the test you can see that his has a slight slant backwards, toward the back of the head and then plateauing at the jawline to create a slightly greater coverage in and around the neck area as can be seen here (if it works)...:

Surely if you incorporated the design of both the updated masuri with whatever integrated grille style Kohli has (or even any of the albions) then you would surely see a more protected area that may have prevented the impact leading to the passing of Phil Hughes. As, in effect the helmet would have an extra couple of cm's to the overall coverage of the back portion of the grille just from a simple backward slant. I do understand that Masuri try to find a medium between high-impact protection and aesthetically pleasing helmets and the 2014 range makes a step towards improving the protection whilst maintaining the classic Masuri appearance.

I've got one of the new one's with the eyeline bar in the steel version and after having the old elite, you cannot actually notice any sizeable difference in weight so i wouldn't really say theres 200g in it, but that may be because it feels more comfortable on the head after being smaller than previous years. I will post up pictures of both side-by-side if anyone wants with the scales in shot to compare and contrast physically.

I would like to see that JG. In the market for a new lid so it would be helpful!

[JG]

Apologies for the delay!

Just as a note, sorry for the background decoration... The missus has free reign! The two lids are standard mens steel in the stock navy colour. And hopefully the pictures post up, if not then have a look at my flickr (I will post details if you comment) to see them. Also, the missus has given our scales to someone so i couldn't take a picture of that for you all


FRONT VIEW



As you can see in this picture, the spacing between the foremost part of the grille and peak are relatively the same distance apart (the vision series is slightly forward of the old elite) but the peak is more substantial on the new vision series but also the recessed vision series grille piece makes it seem like it may impede what you can see but honestly; i wear glasses and relatively blocky ones at that and i can wear them and the helmet without worrying about knocking.


SIDE VIEW





The side profile of both of the helmets show that the old helmet shape is straight and the grille has a curvature towards the chin all the way through it. Whereas, the new style helmet has a curve towards the back of the helmet that covers the bumpy bit that we have on the back of our heads, which can further be covered by the new lock system, and as for the grille, you can see it has more of a sigmoid shape that then curves to cover more underneath the chin which you may not be able to make out because of it being pushed slightly downwards. As you can see though the grille starts from a little bit further back.


TOP AND BOTTOM





The top on the new helmet (Right) is a lot more flush with its ventilation slots rather than being really pronounced and like the top bead. Furthermore, there has been changes on the inside as rather than having the material all over the place to absorb every bit of sweat your head can produce. They have decided to stick with the material padding on the front to be comfortable for the brow and forehead as well as going for foam for the top of the head with venting holes that get rid of the heat via the new system of channels and cool using the front positioned vent holes. I might add it seems like a brilliant concept! Finally, Masuri have now incorporated a new twist lock system to secure the back of your head and the back of the helmet together which to me is a lot better as it feels more substantial and better fitting, as another little note you can see the peak supports on the new helmet


PERSONAL NOTE

The new range of helmets are a tiny bit heavier but because they are more snug and padded internally as well as the protection, it gives that added confidence when arriving at the crease. The sizes are slightly smaller this year so I would suggest you go in and check out the size to suit you but if i'm honest its definitely something to go for. There also seems to be some additional form of powder coating on the new ones because its texture seems different but overall, it seems to be a lot better to me!

[AndrewS]

Are there any definitive weights for the vision series floating around?

[Vitas Cricket]

1.1kg for steel grille and 900grams for Ti.

[AndrewS]

Are the test and elite pretty much the same weight wise? Double bar not made of lead? 

[Vitas Cricket]

Are the test and elite pretty much the same weight wise? Double bar not made of lead? 

There isn't much difference between the double and single bars in terms of weight.

[WalkingWicket37]

Are the test and elite pretty much the same weight wise? Double bar not made of lead? 

I think VKS did a vice where they said t was about a gram from memory!