Topic: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking (Read 16891 times)

JB · « **Reply #60 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:31:46 PM »

Not necessarily, lots of businesses go through times when they make losses. They don't all go bust. If you do monthly accounts you could see how you have done each month.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #61 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:37:54 PM »

Quote from: JB on December 23, 2014, 01:31:46 PM

Not necessarily, lots of businesses go through times when they make losses. They don't all go bust. If you do monthly accounts you could see how you have done each month.

Of course. I wasn't suggesting monthly/ weekly/ daily adjustments of pay. You know I wasn't.

But, ultimately, if profit isn't being made, then the business won't survive.

Gurujames · « **Reply #62 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:42:56 PM »

At the end of the day a well respected bat maker, and they do make their own bats, is offering a young person an opportunity. the wages are low but that should ensure they attract someone who genuinely wants to go into this industry. also, they know nothing and until they are trained need heaps of supervision. The training will take a long time and mean that the experts have to show the apprentice how do do things. this means that their output is compromised.
We should applaud M and H for actually wanting to employ someone and keeping the craft of bat making in the UK. In my experience employers keep on all apprenticing who are any good as the cost of training them is so high.
Is it better to get paid �100 a week and get excellent training that could lead to a fulfilling career or go to uni, get a 2:2 in drama (or equally pointless field) and come out unemployed, unemployable and a debt of 20 grand? If my son/daughter wanted to do it I would back them. The discounted bats would come in handy too.

JB · « **Reply #63 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:44:55 PM »

And that's the risk, hence the profit being the reward. No one will set up a business, take all the risk and give the employees all a share of the profit because if everything goes tits up they just walk away and get a job somewhere else. The owner is left with the mess.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #64 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:48:01 PM »

Quote from: Gurujames on December 23, 2014, 01:42:56 PM

At the end of the day a well respected bat maker, and they do make their own bats, is offering a young person an opportunity. the wages are low but that should ensure they attract someone who genuinely wants to go into this industry. also, they know nothing and until they are trained need heaps of supervision. The training will take a long time and mean that the experts have to show the apprentice how do do things. this means that their output is compromised.
We should applaud M and H for actually wanting to employ someone and keeping the craft of bat making in the UK. In my experience employers keep on all apprenticing who are any good as the cost of training them is so high.
Is it better to get paid �100 a week and get excellent training that could lead to a fulfilling career or go to uni, get a 2:2 in drama (or equally pointless field) and come out unemployed, unemployable and a debt of 20 grand? If my son/daughter wanted to do it I would back them. The discounted bats would come in handy too.

Why is drama pointless? You wouldn't back your son/ daughter if they had a talent for acting?

Their output is compromised by having an extra pair of hands for �100 a week? Do me a favour!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #65 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:50:10 PM »

Quote from: JB on December 23, 2014, 01:44:55 PM

just walk away and get a job somewhere else.

Salix?

smilley792 · « **Reply #66 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:52:29 PM »

We have apprentices at our place. They get a decent whack too(for an apprentice) 10k a year and yearly pay rise appraisals.

Now, the majority we have are 16/17 and in my opinion. Most are not ready to work properly. There still in the school mentality. And it take a quite sometime for them to mature into what I'd class as worker. Ones able to do the job we do on there own and not unsupervised.
The lesser wage is apt for these(compared to us technicians that re fully trained and experience.

Then there the odd apprentice we take on In there 20s. They hit the ground running! Give the, 3-4 weeks training and there just like any other non apprentice new starter. They can pretty much do the job, and on there own.
These I'd class as under paid on the 10k a year, and deserve closer to us. But they'll never get it until 3 years has past.

Thankfully for all apprentices we are a big company with room for them, I've not known an apprentice yet that hasn't been offered a roll at the end of there scheme.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #67 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:55:11 PM »

That seems reasonable, smilley.

JB · « **Reply #68 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:57:43 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on December 23, 2014, 01:50:10 PM

Salix?

I was talking generally but whoever you want

procricket · « **Reply #69 on:** December 23, 2014, 01:59:45 PM »

Can we now take it your not applying @Bats_Entertainment

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #70 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:00:23 PM »

Quote from: JB on December 23, 2014, 01:57:43 PM

I was talking generally but whoever you want

But you have chosen cricket bat making as a career and embarked on a lowly paid apprenticeship? Your options are quite limited, you'd have to agree?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #71 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:03:16 PM »

Quote from: procricket B3 on December 23, 2014, 01:59:45 PM

Can we now take it your not applying @Bats_Entertainment

I would have loved this job when I was 16. But that's not really the point.

JB · « **Reply #72 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:10:26 PM »

So no skill is transferable? You couldn't use your shaping skills in cabinet making or use you experience with the machinery to get a job in a joiners shop making windows?

Or you could start your own firm, put massive mark ups on your products, take on apprentices for �200/wk and share all your profits with the workforce!! Because the way your trying to make out, it's that easy

Gurujames · « **Reply #73 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:11:12 PM »

When I did my apprenticeship there is no doubt I made everyone else work slower, particularly in the beginning. Kids out Of school are not ready for work, a good career should mean job satisfaction and not the accumulation of wealth. The fact that many people who have commented on this thread and claimed they would have love this opportunity when they were young proves that. Paul Aldred would appear to love what he does.
In my view drama is not a good degree to take. Look at the employment rates for those students after they graduate.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #74 on:** December 23, 2014, 02:18:45 PM »

Quote from: JB on December 23, 2014, 02:10:26 PM

So no skill is transferable? You couldn't use your shaping skills in cabinet making or use you experience with the machinery to get a job in a joiners shop making windows?

Or you could start your own firm, put massive mark ups on your products, take on apprentices for �200/wk and share all your profits with the workforce!! Because the way your trying to make out, it's that easy

Every business shares it's profits with it's workforce by paying their wages. It's the extent to which it should do so that we are disputing, I think.

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