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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2014, 02:21:41 PM »

75% of the universities in the UK are a waste of time.
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« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2014, 02:24:25 PM »

The wages get paid way before the profit is made. The wages are all part of the running costs of the business, the workforce doesn't get paid out of the profits.
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« Reply #77 on: December 23, 2014, 02:25:29 PM »

75% of the universities in the UK are a waste of time.

Yes, all the people at those Universities should be trained to make cricket bats. Who knows, they might even find employment if they are prepared to work cheaply enough?
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2014, 02:26:08 PM »

75% of the universities in the UK are a waste of time.

And 100% are a waste off money!
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #79 on: December 23, 2014, 02:28:09 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: December 23, 2014, 02:33:05 PM »

The wages get paid way before the profit is made. The wages are all part of the running costs of the business, the workforce doesn't get paid out of the profits.

Wages impact profits. You know what I was saying.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #81 on: December 23, 2014, 02:34:31 PM »

This thread is really starting to grate on me I'm afraid - can we just stop all of the nonsense and get back to the actual topic?

At the end of the day, regardless of the reasons for M&H taking on the apprentice, at least they're offering it - yes the pay is rubbish but it's not designed to be a well paid job - it's to enable someone to learn some valuable skills which they can take into the real world. I've been very lucky personally in being able to go through school/college/uni with ease and landing myself into a good job - for others it isn't this easy and I applaud M&H for at least giving someone a chance. Really wish this forum wasn't so cynical at times.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #82 on: December 23, 2014, 02:41:19 PM »

To be honest, there will be a number of 16 year olds who would do this for free, I suspect.
I would have if I was 16 and able to stay in school too.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #83 on: December 23, 2014, 02:41:30 PM »

can we just stop all of the nonsense and get back to the actual topic?


The actual topic is 'M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking'.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2014, 02:52:36 PM »


This thread is really starting to grate on me I'm afraid - can we just stop all of the nonsense and get back to the actual topic?

At the end of the day, regardless of the reasons for M&H taking on the apprentice, at least they're offering it - yes the pay is rubbish but it's not designed to be a well paid job - it's to enable someone to learn some valuable skills which they can take into the real world. I've been very lucky personally in being able to go through school/college/uni with ease and landing myself into a good job - for others it isn't this easy and I applaud M&H for at least giving someone a chance. Really wish this forum wasn't so cynical at times.

Yes, it is human nature to be suspicious of things. Especially when something appears to be one thing but can turn out to be something else - I have learnt this from drunken nights out... And have, some of the time, regretted the fact that I did not look at things with rose tinted glasses on.

One mans cynical is another mans careful.

My point in this whole discussion should remain as an analysis point for the person looking for a balanced view - "Yes - on paper this looks like a great opportunity HOWEVER greater clarification needs to be sought over the exact role and wording within the contract".

Many of us know what, what M&H have appeared to be in the past, is not necessarily who they are in the present.

However, who knows what the strategic direction the Business will take - either way, it's always good to be educated on these matters so people can go in with their eyes wide open.

Last thing you want is an 18yo who has spent the last two years learning to make tea, sweep floors and apply stickers with not a lot else.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2014, 03:03:16 PM »

Echo Neon's comments.  After all, this is the season of good will.

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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2014, 04:38:07 PM »

75% of the universities in the UK are a waste of time.
Reeeeeally now? I didn't go to one of the top 25% of universities, my degree still got me into a well-paid job that I wouldn't have been able to get without it - clearly not a waste of time! Or money, the extra amount I will earn over my career will be a hell of a lot more than I paid for my education. I'd say that's a good result for me? Degree choice is far more important than the university you attend.

As for this apprenticeship, sounds like a great opportunity for a kid living locally. Pay isn't great, sure, but for an apprentice is pretty much never is. Learning a trade while earning a little money and with the potential opportunity to make a career in the company when you're ready will be a great move instead of college for plenty of people. Don't see any reason for people to suggest that's not what M&H are offering, that's what apprenticeships are meant for after all! Maybe the lucky apprentice can shape that chip out of your shoulder once they've been trained up.
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2014, 04:48:51 PM »

A 1st at tin pot Uni is like a 2:2 at a proper one.

For every person who gets a good job from a lesser university there are 10 who don't get one. This is reversed in the top universities.



 
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2014, 05:05:37 PM »

A 1st at tin pot Uni is like a 2:2 at a proper one.

For every person who gets a good job from a lesser university there are 10 who don't get one. This is reversed in the top universities.

Never heard so much rubbish in my life - I'm sat in an office where the majority of people are on well over £100k, none of them went to top universities and most got 2:2s! - Our MD, on over £750k, is a 2:2 grad from a uni ranked in the 70s.

What counts nowadays is your CV, something that sets you apart from the rest - for me that was Neon, and that's probably the reason my 2:1 from Swansea has landed me this job along with a number of offers from some of the major graduate schemes in the UK (and most of them demanded a first).
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Re: M&H Apprenticeship in Batmaking
« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2014, 05:12:47 PM »

That's utter rubbish. If you do a degree in fine art, then sure, but that doesn't apply to all courses at all universities. I studied engineering at a 'lesser' university and everyone (and I mean every single person) who graduated in my year from my course got themselves an engineering job within 6 months of leaving, whatever grade they got.
Just looked it up and the official employment rate for my subject is 91%, compared to 92% at the local Russell Group uni, i.e. it doesn't make any difference to your employment prospects which one you attend.
Don't know what you have against universities, and ok you can say there are particular degrees out there that aren't 'worth it', but don't go slating the whole system for no good reason.
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