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[uknsaunders]

What's wrong with Anderson?

Quite - a bowler who could bowl with some control would be useful. Broad, Jordan and Finn look like too many millionaire bowlers. Woakes, by sticking it on a length seems to have found a magic formula, funny that.

England were well beaten but Starc got the ball to swing early doors and England had to dig themselves out of a hole. No swing for England to work with and they didn't make the same inroads.

[rich041187]

Think today highlighted the difference in our batmen facing 80-85mph bowlers and 85-90+ ones with a bit of movement. Its amazing how that extra 5mph the top international teams have (Aus, SA) causes major issues. Unfortunately Finn was our only real quick, and he bowls about as fast as Bopara now!!!! You need x factor bowlers in ODIs and T20. If we cant find a rapid bowler then we need to find some spin options that offer something different

[FattusCattus]

Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?

[smilley792]

Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?

Dodgy knee, not worth risking apparently.

[uknsaunders]

Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?

Don't care, any excuse to moan about our bowlers inability to bowl in the right areas is fine with me 

[uknsaunders]

Think today highlighted the difference in our batmen facing 80-85mph bowlers and 85-90+ ones with a bit of movement. Its amazing how that extra 5mph the top international teams have (Aus, SA) causes major issues. Unfortunately Finn was our only real quick, and he bowls about as fast as Bopara now!!!! You need x factor bowlers in ODIs and T20. If we cant find a rapid bowler then we need to find some spin options that offer something different

Maybe, but NZ have similar pace bowlers to us and they do ok. SL seamers didn't do that badly in SL against us either. Whether it's Moores or Saker, somebody needs to give our bowlers a rocket.

[rich041187]

Agreed. Maybe Saker has gone under the radar. Look how well our guys were bowling when Allan Donald took control for a bit

[Gerry SA]

Maybe, but NZ have similar pace bowlers to us and they do ok. SL seamers didn't do that badly in SL against us either. Whether it's Moores or Saker, somebody needs to give our bowlers a rocket.

The likes of Southee and Boult have more skills than the England bowlers.

[uknsaunders]

The likes of Southee and Boult have more skills than the England bowlers.

Wouldn't say it's skills but general discipline, the ability to probe in the same spot or to vary each delivery without losing line and length. In general bowlers have been moving their lengths further up to the batsman in most forms of international cricket. Its a theme with England that they seem to bowl shorter than most other teams.

[ppccopener]

Nz have a decent attack, in fact they are a good test side.They are over here before the Ashes for 2 test matches(scheduling problems YES but they have always been classed as minnows by us-how embarrassing) so we will see..
I don't know how Jordan went today but I would scrap him at the moment and pick someone else. Woakes have improved no end and from but panned on this forum now looks like one of our better bowlers in one day cricket.

And yes, absolutely...we bowl too short-consistently..

frustrating

[Gerry SA]

Wouldn't say it's skills but general discipline, the ability to probe in the same spot or to vary each delivery without losing line and length. In general bowlers have been moving their lengths further up to the batsman in most forms of international cricket. Its a theme with England that they seem to bowl shorter than most other teams.

Bowling coach has be be held accountable if he's unable to get his bowlers bowling fuller or if he wants them pounding it in short all the time.

[Gerry SA]

When will England finally pull the plug on a dud like Ravi Bopara? Overrated beyond belief. After 100+ ODIs his only 100 is against Ireland.

[ppccopener]

he's one of our best players Gerry,we need him in as the all rounder

and don't throw too many stones I've seen many a test match when you played that Paul Harris bloke. Left arm over toilet.

[Gerry SA]

he's one of our best players Gerry,we need him in as the all rounder

and don't throw too many stones I've seen many a test match when you played that Paul Harris bloke. Left arm over toilet.

Paul Harris was given a role, which he did pretty well.

Bopara an all rounder? More like bits and pieces. Pick a proper batsman(Ballance seems to be flavour of the month these days)

[rajesh500]

totally agree! Bopara is not a match winner..