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Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« on: January 18, 2015, 02:50:19 AM »

What is the consensus around here on bowling machines and bowling machines balls. I've heard people say absolutely don't use anything but your netbat against a bowling machine.

I've also seen a lot of people use the bowling machine to open up the grains.

What's the verdict ?
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 04:17:23 AM »

Very subjective  matter this  and every bat will behave differently.

In my opinion  as long the bat is prepared properly, I don't  see any issues with using  the bat against  bowling machine. I don't  believe in the whole  net bat malarkey anyway. So go ahead and get the most of your spent.

I would  suggest watching  out of cheapo  balls used by bowlers. Our bowlers  all use the  balls from a club bucket which is of reasonable quality.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2015, 04:55:57 AM »

Depends on the bats you have. I wouldn't take some of my nicer bats in a net session let alone in front of a Bola. I have a separate butterfly stain bat for Bola since the bat is harder and can take consistent abuse. I have the same philosophy for winter net sessions where the surface is hard (astro turf on top of concrete) and pitch is shorter (18/19 yards). Cheaper balls are another nuisance that can ruin a nice bat.



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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2015, 08:05:45 AM »

If it's good enough for pros it's good enough for me

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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2015, 08:32:28 AM »

I have used the bola to knock countless bats in. Never had an issue.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2015, 08:35:39 AM »

If it's good enough for pros it's good enough for me

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Pro's don't pay for bats, so they don't care if they break - they just pull another one out of their bag.
I would suggest to use an older stick as most manufacturers will not warrant bats damaged with signs of heavy bowling machine usage.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2015, 08:36:45 AM »

Hold on a tick, I was under the impression that Bola balls are as soft if not softer than a regular cricket ball. In which case why is it such a problem? Wouldn't it be like using an old ball which is recommended anyway? And instead of looking for seam marks, you're looking for dimples.

And if Bola balls are harder than a cricket ball, doesn't it make it more like using a mallet? Which people use to knock in bats?

So not sure what the issue is, regardless of the hardness of a Bola ball. I myself haven't used a bowling machine purely to knock in or open up bats, but I do like the idea.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2015, 08:37:15 AM »

Yes they do care. Even pro's have favourite bats.

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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2015, 08:44:12 AM »

Pro's don't pay for bats, so they don't care if they break - they just pull another one out of their bag.
I would suggest to use an older stick as most manufacturers will not warrant bats damaged with signs of heavy bowling machine usage.

Pros have favourite bats. They have them repaired over and over again from very far gone positions.

They care alot!!
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2015, 08:58:31 AM »

Bola balls are softer than cricket balls but the issue is not how hard the ball is.  Most bat breakages happen in nets due to the fact that you are hitting a ball much more often than in a match situation - maybe a ball every 10 seconds on average rather than every 30 seconds...

Willow is obviously a natural material and needs to 'recover' once hit.  If you do not allow for the timber to 'recover' then the fibres are more likely to break.

Then take into account that, when using a bowling machine, you are more likely to be hitting the same part of the face of the bat (when practising the same shot) then this is when real problems start to occur.  Either ensure you allow time for your bat to recover before hitting the next ball or use a bat more suited for this situation.  As a coach I can also say that taking a few extra seconds to consider the shot you've played will also help your practice sessions.

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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2015, 09:03:23 AM »

I'm pretty certain there is more potential for damage in the first over of a game when the ball is its hardest and your timing is at its worst than from a bola ball.
It's a piece of wood.... We all have our favourites but if we didn't want them to get damaged we wouldn't use them. If the new bat has been knocked in I don't see an issue.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2015, 09:17:14 AM »

^ A knocked in bat is fine against a new ball but you are not hitting the same area, like a Bola ball, over and over again. This effect becomes even more pronounced at higher speeds. I have personally experienced this. To practice at higher speeds, I used a light bat for my Bola sessions. The bat face got destroyed in a season.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2015, 09:19:32 AM »

Bola balls are softer than cricket balls but the issue is not how hard the ball is. 

They hurt like hell. :D
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2015, 09:47:53 AM »

My thoughts on people's theories. Not saying I'm. Right just what j think.

Bola balls may be a tad softer, but the important thing is they have no seam! Remember it's the seam off a new ball/decent old ball that will cause indents and damage to the face. All balls will damage a non knocked in edge.

Cricket balls also hurt! I had a Ruptured spleen to prove.

Theory of not letting bat recover between shots. Anyone with a heavy mallet or a lignin vitae mallet giving the bat death isn't waiting between strikes and you tend to concentrate on areas.
To knock a bat in should we wait between strikes? Can see knocking in going from 3 hrs to 24hrs if so. 


Repeatably hitting same are of bat, wish I was good enough to Repeatably hit the same area!!

Your bat was destroyed after a season of bola balls. Well I'm not suprised.  You will hit around 8 to 10x as many balls in a machine session to a regular game.  So a full season on bola would be like 8 seasons in the middle. And after 8 seasons. I'd expect my bat face to be worse for wear!


Biggest problem with bola and indoor nets with any bat! Yorkers!!! Do not dig them out. Ever.
you have a hard ball travelling at speed. You are trapping it into a very very hard floor that unlike a wicket. Has no give. The only thing that is gonna give is the toe of the bat!


Me I'm happy to use a bat in normal.nets. Bola machines and matches no matter what's it's cost sentimental value. I bought it to be used.  So shall try and get a good run out of it.

If it breaks. Well it means I can just buy more bats.
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Re: Using a New Bat Against a Bowling Machine
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2015, 09:51:42 AM »

I've never had an issue using a new bat against the machine.
I used my Six6 against the machine every week last season and it ended up pinging wonderfully by the start of the season. Hitting hundreds, if not thousands, of soft balls helps a bat "open up" - who knew  ;)
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