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[ppccopener]

having seen many world cups i'm not surprised at our performance(non). save 1992 when we got done by the magic of wasim akram we hav'nt looked like winning since. Back in 1992 we actually were a good side....

the problem is now, England cannot pick either alex hales or ravi bopara because that will smack of yet another change of plan when we should of sorted out the team before we played a match.

ive watched England long enough not to be suicidal about it,I was in Australia in '94 when we got beat 3-1 following the team round the that set me up never to get too down about losing.

the thing I cannot understand is how we are now practising Yorkers when before we went with a policy of short slower balls which vanished all over the place

it's exasperating viewing.....I'm glad Ashley Giles did not get the coaches job, I just wonder if Moores is up to it.Talks well but how many cricketers do we know that talk a great game and continually fail?

[thegowerwaft]

sickener - good ball and what looks quite like a broken bat to boot:



I wonder if Mr Ali will also be watching the Forum tomorrow for B3's specials.

[uknsaunders]

I think despite his Netherlands cock up Giles would of made a better ODI/T20 coach than Moores. He's struck me as a thinking cricketer, much in the mould of Collingwood and I doubt he would of persisted with bowling and batting how they are. Let's not forget Moores has had the entire summer and 6 ODI's in Sri Lanka to formulate a plan. He strikes me as a reactive coach who goes down one route for as long as he can. Unless I'm mistaken his greatest acheivements have come in the County Championship in the 4 day format as opposed to one day cricket.

[ppccopener]

you certainly have a point,could Giles of done any worse-no, any better-maybe.....he has at least been there in international cricket
On Collingwood I actually think it's criminal he is not permanently involved with us, he done some coaching and no offer was forthcoming
we could of employed him for the World Cup on fielding alone.....
Instead he is working with Scotland.
It would be worth the money just to have him around even to talk to and work with even is that was to suck up his knowledge

[uknsaunders]

In some respects, coaches you haven't played international are always facing an uphill battle. Warne was never a fan of Buchanan for example. It's alot easier to gain trust and respect if you have done the job before, likewise players will be happier to listen to your ideas. Whatever coaching badges they don't have, Giles and Colly would of had some acceptance from the players. You only have to see Lehmann taking over from Micky Arthur to realise how it can galvanise a side.

[WalkingWicket37]

As well as Collywobble we could bring back a load of Ex Players into the staff.

KP - Batting Coach
The King of Spain - spin coach
Steve Harmy - Seamers coach
Super Fred - director of nights out

[tushar sehgal]

As well as Collywobble we could bring back a load of Ex Players into the staff.

KP - Batting Coach
The King of Spain - spin coach
Steve Harmy - Seamers coach
Super Fred - director of nights out

Except for King of spain there is merit to this, although I think someone else could do a better job than Harmison...

[WalkingWicket37]

Except for King of spain there is merit to this, although I think someone else could do a better job than Harmison...

Darren Gough! He knew how to get a good Yorkie bar down there.
Swanny G spot as spin coach maybe?
Michael Vaughan as batting coach/captaincy adviser

[procricket]

well i enjoyed the game i really did great bowling first inning Southee unplayable then the fireworks.

Lot of people mentality is all wrong we got beat by a much better side who executed the plan and with precision.

I'm a massive England fan and still expect us to qualify but Southee and Bish bosh belter defiantly made my Sky fee worthwhile

I just love cricket 

All that happend is we played two form sides and got belted if you really expected different did you

I kind of did but understand the two sides we have played are just better than us and play as teams

All this dribble about KP becoming a coach no thanks weather you like it or not his smell effects this team yes he is our best batsman but please he is as much to do with this mentality as the poor coaches

[SOULMAN1012]

well i enjoyed the game i really did great bowling first inning Southee unplayable then the fireworks.

Lot of people mentality is all wrong we got beat by a much better side who executed the plan and with precision.

I'm a massive England fan and still expect us to qualify but Southee and Bish bosh belter defiantly made my Sky fee worthwhile

I just love cricket 

All that happend is we played two form sides and got belted if you really expected different did you

I kind of did but understand the two sides we have played are just better than us and play as teams

All this dribble about KP becoming a coach no thanks weather you like it or not his smell effects this team yes he is our best batsman but please he is as much to do with this mentality as the poor coaches

Agree with you in the main here mate, my frustration isn't really just from the NZ game but the overall way we approach the odi game and then the absolute Bull that it spouted in the aftermath, better at the basics blah blah blah the basics is what you guys as professional players should have mastered by the time you made 2nd teams not international status, the England side is backward.

The one thing I disagree with is KP. He is our best player and personally I see no one in the next 10 years having the impact on a game for England like he does. You pick your best 11 players for a World Cup and he is our best batsmen, he for me should not have been dropped after the ashes but others still in and around should, broad, Anderson and bell are completely useless in odi cricket broad especially just seems to think he can hit the pitch like he is quick when in truth he just isn't.
The captaincy and coaching is just a complete loss on me as the way we play surly can not be what is talked about. The first over of the NZ game the openers left 5 of 6 delivers go through to the keeper where as you look at the NZ players they are fearless. I think the overall problem was mentioned on sky in that players are so scared to be dropped and when they are the ones coming in have had no match time

[joeljonno]

We should back the coach and captain through the World Cup even if they are the wrong choice.

It should be looked at afterwards. I said at the time why are they replacing Cook with someone who as as out of form.

The bowling plans are rubbish. They seem to try to bowl what they are not good at.

The batsmen seem to want to be big hitters but aren't good enough for that. Just play your natural game, like Root did last night and Taylor the game before.

The team is solid enough that it shouldn't be getting humiliated by the big teams, beaten yes, humiliated no.

The one thing I disagree with is KP. He is our best player

This.

How does someone rate 'best' player?

Form?
Consistency?
Aggression?

KP is our most dangerous player, but statistics show he was not the best.

Here are the last five years averages, for reference.

Trott - 51.25
Cook - 38.5
KP - 31

Obviously injuries and opposition may play a part, etc.

There is no point looking to the past, we need the future blooded in after this WC for the sake of the game.

Should Moores go?  Probably, depending how we do against the 'minnows' and Srj Lanka. Hypothetically, could get a win I the final 8 and be in the semis with a bit of luck then they will say it wasn't a total loss.

Moores will get the summer to potentially humiliate the country further.



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[procricket]

And the fact the guy is a total dyson for any team

[ProCricketer1982]

We should back the coach and captain through the World Cup even if they are the wrong choice.

It should be looked at afterwards. I said at the time why are they replacing Cook with someone who as as out of form.

The bowling plans are rubbish. They seem to try to bowl what they are not good at.

The batsmen seem to want to be big hitters but aren't good enough for that. Just play your natural game, like Root did last night and Taylor the game before.

The team is solid enough that it shouldn't be getting humiliated by the big teams, beaten yes, humiliated no.

This.

How does someone rate 'best' player?

Form?
Consistency?
Aggression?

KP is our most dangerous player, but statistics show he was not the best.

Here are the last five years averages, for reference.

Trott - 51.25
Cook - 38.5
KP - 31

Obviously injuries and opposition may play a part, etc.

There is no point looking to the past, we need the future blooded in after this WC for the sake of the game.

Should Moores go?  Probably, depending how we do against the 'minnows' and Srj Lanka. Hypothetically, could get a win I the final 8 and be in the semis with a bit of luck then they will say it wasn't a total loss.

Moores will get the summer to potentially humiliate the country further.



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disagree

why does it matter how eng do against he minnows?? they are minnows!! Eng should be beating them with a 2nd string team, let alone at a world cup. That's just eh ECB hack line that they will trawl out when they beat a few minnows etc


They should be fired right now, make a stand against mediocrity. 'Get behind the lads'... it's not club cricket  ffs.. these guys couldn't care less what the avg 'fan' thinks or says.. WE are deluding ourselves if we think we have any effect on them

[smilley792]

Amusingly. I believe full well that the lions team that toured south africa would have put up a better fight. I believe they'd have still lost both games as aus and nz are two of the best odi side currently and have home advantage.

But I reckon in both games the lions would have scored 250 plus. And took both games into the last 5 overs

[joeljonno]

disagree

why does it matter how eng do against he minnows?? they are minnows!! Eng should be beating them with a 2nd string team, let alone at a world cup. That's just eh ECB hack line that they will trawl out when they beat a few minnows etc


They should be fired right now, make a stand against mediocrity. 'Get behind the lads'... it's not club cricket  ffs.. these guys couldn't care less what the avg 'fan' thinks or says.. WE are deluding ourselves if we think we have any effect on them

I'm saying that if we lose to the minnows, Moores might go now. If we don't, he'll probably be around for the summer. God help us.

If you can't back your team when they need it, why bother supporting them ever? They have picked the squad, the coaches, they have their plans. It's not working but you can't change it now. What do you think will happen?  They'll turn round and say, oh wait, you're right, everyone here go home, we are changing the squad right now?  No, obviously not. Because that can't happen. So give them some support.

Who do you want to fire? The players? The coaches? The administration?


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