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[TangoWhiskey]

England in World Cup woe yadda yadda yadda. Familiar de ja vu.

In my opinion the problems of the England team lie entirely at the door of gross mismanagement of the team. Moores doesn't cut it as an international coach. The team selectors made a complete hash of selecting a captain, dropping Cook in favour of an equally out of form Morgan which struck me as the classic one step forward two steps back. Team selection wrong with no one in the side who is going to smoke 70 off 30 until 5th drop and a bowling unit that could be replaced by one bowling machine and no one could tell the difference.

The problem I have is how can this change? Who is the ECB answerable to? The public aren't happy with the direction the England team has gone in since early 2013, but who at the end of the day is carrying the can? This insular organisation that is the ECB doesn't seem like it can change itself, but how is anyone going to force it? Who appoints people like Paul Downton, why aren't the fans given some say? How would fans even go about invoking a change in leadership at the top short of boycotting games (something which never works might I add).

[Buzz]

follow the full toss blog and you will get some sensible thoughts on the subject

but Downton, Moores and Saker should all loose their jobs. Giles Clarke should also be hounded out (not happening, however he is moving on a bit)

better coaching will create a better environment. I don't believe that there are players who are better who are not being picked (even KP, is past it really, sadly, and not playing regularly enough) You can't fault the selectors for not picking Stokes - you can fault them for not picking Hales and Taylor 18 months ago, but that time has gone. 

[WalkingWicket37]

Stop paying to watch that shower of (No Swearing Please)! I've just cancelled my plans to go to an ODI in June as I refuse to spend my hard earned money on watching 11 disinterested blokes get humiliated! (And I'm sure I could find something like that for free on the internet if I looked for it!)

If the public stop paying to attend matches the EBC might stand up and take notice.
Then again, being the ECB, they might not...

[uknsaunders]

Problem starts at the top and is like a cancer of bs.

Agree with Buzz on the shake up. However, you have to ask why KP (who had the best batting average on the winter ashes tour) was dumped. Stokes was another shining light and has gone backwards, despite some fantastic innings outside the England setup. The environment clearly isn't right for players to suceed and reach their potential.

Another massive problem is the whole county structure. In an ideal world pretty much every player should be good enough to play for England, or have the potential to do so. We don't have 18 counties worth of England talent but insist on supporting it. Our cricket would become much more competitive in a 14/12/ even 10 team setup. Beef up the minor counties to semi pro and use that level for players to learn their trade, with 4/5 minor counties feeding into 1 first class setup. We get by because we aren't exposed often thanks to home conditions and some exceptional performances. You fear for the test team when Anderson/Bell/Cook depart and the ODI side is already a shambles.

[TangoWhiskey]

follow the full toss blog and you will get some sensible thoughts on the subject

but Downton, Moores and Saker should all loose their jobs. Giles Clarke should also be hounded out (not happening, however he is moving on a bit)

better coaching will create a better environment. I don't believe that there are players who are better who are not being picked (even KP, is past it really, sadly, and not playing regularly enough) You can't fault the selectors for not picking Stokes - you can fault them for not picking Hales and Taylor 18 months ago, but that time has gone.

I agree, they should lose their jobs. But at the end of the day, who are they answering to? Can't be the public else they would have been out long ago.

I don't think KP should be in the side. The team needs to move forward, KP was the oldest player and hadn't been performing. However I also believe in that case that means Bell, Morgan and Cook should have gone too at the same time from the ODI set up and the young guns, your Taylor's, Hale's, Roy's etc should have been brought in and blooded in the year leading up to this WC. As it is, we have sacked and seriously demoralised our test skipper and potentially England's greastest test run scorer and replaced him with another bloke who can't score any runs under the myth that he is a better captain.

I don't know where the shouts for Morgan to skipper the side came from, he's never done anything that made me think he was up to the job and the fact he had as few runs as Cook when he succeded him is an absolute farce.

[Blank Bats]

funny the demise, they have gone from being number number 1 and winning the ashes not so long ago to this.

i genuinely think there are too many old farts running the game.

the game is changing/evolving and we need to keep up with the times.

[csnew]

Start at the top. As I've said before nothing will change in English cricket unless the old boys club is kicked out.

if they can survive after last year's ashes humiliation then nothing will change. In fact did Giles Clark not get a promotion

[RichW]

I agree with the comment above and to some extent KP.

County cricket isn't a good enough standard to prepare people for international cricket.

A good example of this in Moeen Ali. Now I'm a Worester fan and a huge fan of his and for the previous few years scoring runs in the county game has looked effortless for him, however at international level he has been found out by consistent short pitched bowling. He is good enough and young enough to work on this but why hasn't he experienced they type of cricket day in day out for the last however many seasons.

There are a number of ways county cricket could be made stronger such as less teams but we could also go back to the days with two overseas player and more kolpak players.

I know people didn't like it and thought it stopped England players coming through but what it did mean was those English players coming through were good player brought up playing hard cricket.

Australia have a good side and they have a much smaller pool of players to choose from England having a smaller pool isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[TangoWhiskey]

The question I was asking is how do we, the fans, introduce a change into the ECB?

[Buzz]

The question I was asking is how do we, the fans, introduce a change into the ECB?

you stop going to the matches - as has been happening.

But they are so arrogant, they wont recognise the issue.

[trypewriter]

I think that the ECB has always had issues and in many respects they are going back to the bad old days of showing huge reluctance to pick men in form, then having a self satisfied smile when they drop them having not given them a chance to establish themselves. They always hated it when they were forced to pick players on weight of runs or wickets, and it's all the more frustrating when they stay loyal to their faves. Having said that, Australia have been just as guilty in the past, but at least they seem to have learned from their mistakes.
The other point is that England have lost some key players who weren't everyone's cup of tea but were very effective. ( and I don't mean KP).

[RichW]

you stop going to the matches - as has been happening.

But they are so arrogant, they wont recognise the issue.

The problem is that so many of the tickets to test matches and ODI are sold to corporate organisations and sponsors that when us, the fans, stop turning up that the powers that be don't realise

[uknsaunders]

The problem is the ecb are accountable to pretty much nobody, which is wrong. I personally would like to see the government get off their arses and make all sporting bodies accountable to the people they think they are trying to support. Would Downton or Moores have been appointed had the ECB had to answer to Trustees made up of fans and area experts - bit like a PLC or a fans trust?

[tim2000s]

#vetoEnglandCricket Let's get it trending on Twitter!

[trypewriter]

#vetoEnglandCricket Let's get it trending on Twitter!

  the unlikeliest anarchist I ever did see!