Topic: Hello - who woke up the ECB! (Read 12673 times)

joeljonno · « **Reply #60 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:32:11 PM »

Wow. Half a day off the forum and a proper discussion. #impressive.

Just skimmed the thread, and apologies if I am repeating anyone.

If you want the cream to rise to the top, then you should have a full pyramid structure, where the main counties and minor counties can intertwine and relegation/promotion between the two can interject. This will give the teams at the topper reason to chase the better players.

A batsman shouldn't have to retire as a bowler gets his allotted overs yet a batsman can be out first ball. If you wanted to go down that route then you would say that you bat for a period of time (like 8 a side) and have a number of overs as a pair. Lose runs if you are out. That is the only fair way really.

I like 40 overs, I find 50 a bit too long. It would be better to pick one, stick with it and not change the rules each year. The domestic should mirror the international stage though.

I think the overseas can be good, but I do not think more are required. Clubs probably cannot afford three so they would look to lower paid average overseas who might not be any better than the current players.

Graves has done well wherever he has been generally, and k think he can be a positive influence over the next 5 years.

As a Yorkie, I am sadly backing Gillespie to be next England coach unless somewhere else nabs him first.

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kenbriooo · « **Reply #61 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:38:04 PM »

Quote from: joeljonno on February 25, 2015, 07:32:11 PM

I like 40 overs, I find 50 a bit too long. It would be better to pick one, stick with it and not change the rules each year. The domestic should mirror the international stage though.

Should we have 5 day county games?

uknsaunders · « **Reply #62 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:40:56 PM »

Quote from: kenbriooo on February 25, 2015, 07:38:04 PM

Should we have 5 day county games?

Not if we reduce tests to 4 days and bowl 110 overs a day

I think the main reason would be financial. The counties don't make any money from CC so it needs to be minimised but still doing a job for England.

kenbriooo · « **Reply #63 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:47:30 PM »

Potentially 4 day test matches could open up the option for an extra test match in the series or 2/3 more T20 games.

Both would allow more TV revenue from any lost for not having a 5th day.

Surely a 4 day county game is the same as 40 over one day compared to a 50 over international?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #64 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:49:20 PM »

Quote from: joeljonno on February 25, 2015, 07:32:11 PM

A batsman shouldn't have to retire as a bowler gets his allotted overs yet a batsman can be out first ball. If you wanted to go down that route then you would say that you bat for a period of time (like 8 a side) and have a number of overs as a pair. Lose runs if you are out. That is the only fair way really.

Oh dear! Is this what T20 does to people?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #65 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:50:46 PM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on February 25, 2015, 07:40:56 PM

Not if we reduce tests to 4 days and bowl 110 overs a day

You really don't watch any county cricket.

joeljonno · « **Reply #66 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:52:58 PM »

Quote from: kenbriooo on February 25, 2015, 07:38:04 PM

Should we have 5 day county games?

If it helps, then yes.

The difference between the ODI and multiple day games is that the different stages of the game are in closer timeframe and you need to be more adaptable.

An ODI have three 'main' stages.

Opening power play
Middle overs
Finishing overs

As long as you have these, then it's fine. You could extend or shorten the game and these will always be there. To have the best understanding of when to accelerate/consolidate as a batting side, or plan your bowling attack in both domestic and international cricket, you should have the same amount of overs. To have difference is to not learn fully.

Other aspects like batting power-plays are still, in my opinion, not being best utilised. The domestic scene would be a potential way to learn to use these most suitably.

The 4 day game have the sections more apart in terms of times. "If" a 5-day game would further the cause and the learning of players then yes, they should introduce it.

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joeljonno · « **Reply #67 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:54:29 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 25, 2015, 07:49:20 PM

Oh dear! Is this what T20 does to people?

No, it's what whinging bowlers do to people.

The other option is, like if a batsman is out he cannot bat again. A bowler can only have one spell. Once he has finished that spell of bowling he cannot bowl again.

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Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #68 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:57:25 PM »

Quote from: joeljonno on February 25, 2015, 07:54:29 PM

No, it's what whinging bowlers do to people.

The other option is, like if a batsman is out he cannot bat again. A bowler can only have one spell. Once he has finished that spell of bowling he cannot bowl again.

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This is a cricket forum.

smilley792 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:00:22 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 25, 2015, 07:57:25 PM

This is a cricket forum.

It is yes. And one that doesn't limit you to just one sentence per post.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #70 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:02:17 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on February 25, 2015, 08:00:22 PM

It is yes. And one that doesn't limit you to just one sentence per post.

More's the pity.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #71 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:06:14 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 25, 2015, 07:50:46 PM

You really don't watch any county cricket.

Last time I snoozed through a day of county cricket on sky it was 96 overs I believe, but don't quote me on that

I think one proposal from the ECB working document was a 3 day, 110 overs a day county championship. How would people feel about that? Effectively losing around 50 overs or half a day over the present 4 day system. Some talk about making use of floodlights for CC games as well.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #72 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:19:46 PM »

I like 5 day Test matches. I think they are great and provide lot of drama. Would I ever buy a ticket and watch a Test match in a stadium? Probably never. Would I follow it on TV or even ESPN as live commentary? Absolutely.

What has piqued my interest in test cricket is not the number of days or the length of the match but the drama and the result. Ashes are great! Other test series around the world were a lot of fun to watch too. ICC has to accept the fact that not all cricket will have venue based spectatorship. Many people will watch the games on TV or their mobile devices. I am paying US$100 to watch the World Cup 2015. I subscribe to another streaming service to watch the Ashes and other test series. Perhaps, ICC should look into involving the home viewers more into the game via social media like Twitter feeds or even Facebook responses. As it is, the World Cup commentators are often quoting the Twitter tweets from many of the spectators. The evolution of the sport does not have to come from format changes (which I think is ridiculous) but by utilizing the new technologies and also a change a model of viewership. Not many people go to the stadiums to watch a game. Not many people want to go to the stadium to watch a game. It's better to watch it on a large TV screen or laptop or tablet.

beaver5 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:23:17 PM »

The reasons why England aren't good enough has many reasons that go beyond just the state of county cricket. Like the fact that almost all county players come from the private school education system which provides a very small percentage of the population. Lazy counties would rather take the near finished techniques they have gained than take a punt on raw talent. I expect this is some what different in Australia.

I don't agree with reducing the number of counties though. Increase them if anything, with more opportunities to move from amateur to professional. Scrap the 50 over leagues and go back to 40 overs on Sundays. At least out players then have to play at the same pace as the rest of the world does at 50 overs. T20 county leagues mid week, mostly Friday evenings. Split FC into 3 leagues of 6, so only 10 games a season. They don't make money and would also be more intense as every game vital.

ECB to reduce the number of tests to 4/5 in the summer. 2 at the start and 2/3 at the end. They also run an EPL with 8 teams over 1 month and take all the money. This can then be shared out to the counties. All players across the counties available to be selected for a squad, including the 'rested' England players and overseas stars. This will allow high intense cricket for the best players and England players to actually be involved in T20 cricket other than a one off game each season.

Buzz · « **Reply #74 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:03:43 PM »

Erm Eng are good enough.

Our national team is poor because of the way it is coached and managed.

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