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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2015, 05:10:01 PM »

I do find it interesting that one of the most capped player for England in recent years Bopara hasn't play in any matches yet, whats wrong with Moores selection..
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2015, 05:24:52 PM »

At the end of the day England have played 1 dimensional cricket regardless of the situation we play the same way, that is lead by management. Regardless of situation the batting line up stays the same and bowlers bowl the same length. There seems to be no allowance for players to change from plan A. I'm not sure there even is a plan B for any situation.

Now we have to change the thought process, for gods sake even club sides change the batting order if in a run chase so the lower order biffer but our international side just don't do it.

In terms of players we simply have to start getting the best out if our up and coming players, I believe NZ are a great example of this. A few years ago there bloodied young players and lost a lot but they lost when it didn't matter by that I mean not a international tournament. So players like Stokes, Billings, Roy, Topley etc need a good run. Morgan is a great one day player so he needs to stay but take captaincy away and let him bat, root looks like the calmest player and is talked up as a test captain so let him learn. And finally for gods sake get our only world class player KP back in the side. I know he has in the last been a muppet but it's clear he was the scape goat for the management when the wheels started to drop.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2015, 05:40:36 PM »

Absolutely.  I can't speak for others but I am a big fan.  Dear old Piers just plays on whatever rhetoric beefs up his profile and gets him soundbites.  Its amazing that any story about Arsenal or England cricket ends up with a Piers Morgan quote next to it for no apparent reason.

He has a real temperament and can properly pace an innings.  Milks the ball very well (drops and runs well) and bats well with Root when they're both stealing singles.

King Twitter = KP,  yes?
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2015, 05:42:23 PM »

I do find it interesting that one of the most capped player for England in recent years Bopara hasn't play in any matches yet, whats wrong with Moores selection..

I think Ravi is massively talented, but it can hardly be said that he hasn't been given a chance.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2015, 06:11:39 PM »

Team KP!!

Also big believer in players who play in the top leagues in the world!

I will throw luke wright in, Similar to other opening 'hitters' who are currently making hay!
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2015, 06:16:28 PM »

Team KP!!

Also big believer in players who play in the top leagues in the world!

I will throw luke wright in, Similar to other opening 'hitters' who are currently making hay!

The top leagues?
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2015, 06:18:53 PM »

Namely IPL and big bash.....

Facing best bowlers.....
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #67 on: March 09, 2015, 06:30:07 PM »

Namely IPL and big bash.....

Facing best bowlers.....

Andrew Flintoff?
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2015, 06:33:09 PM »

Andrew Flintoff?

Yep the one and only bowler in this year's big bash.

He bowled 20 overs for all teams in both innings don't you know.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2015, 06:37:11 PM »

Yep the one and only bowler in this year's big bash.

He bowled 20 overs for all teams in both innings don't you know.

That's quite a few more than he bowled for Lancashire.





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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2015, 06:41:32 PM »

Even when we're crap at 50 over cricket, it's because we don't play enough T20. :o
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2015, 06:49:29 PM »

KP won't play for England again until Moores goes and for that reason alone Moores must be sacked. No coach is bigger than the team. Yes KP has a massive ego but a good coach would manage him and get the most out of the others. That's simply hasn't happened. I'm pretty sure if Giles or Colly was coach then KP would be in the setup.

Where does that leave Downton? On a very slippery slope. He's associated with Moores and the same Team Robot Laptop England that people don't like. His "I'm hugely sorry" video on facebook is going down a storm, most comments telling him to politely get out along with Moores.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152572790135194
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2015, 06:58:00 PM »

KP won't play for England again until Moores goes and for that reason alone Moores must be sacked. No coach is bigger than the team. Yes KP has a massive ego but a good coach would manage him and get the most out of the others. That's simply hasn't happened. I'm pretty sure if Giles or Colly was coach then KP would be in the setup.

Where does that leave Downton? On a very slippery slope. He's associated with Moores and the same Team Robot Laptop England that people don't like. His "I'm hugely sorry" video on facebook is going down a storm, most comments telling him to politely get out along with Moores.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152572790135194

KP is 35. His ODI average is only marginally better than that of Joe Root - who many here are saying should be dropped. He hasn't played any cricket other than T20 for 14 months.

That's before you taken into consideration the politics and personality issues.

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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2015, 07:52:20 PM »

Funny that everyone is suddenly a fan of James Taylor.

not after that shot today!
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2015, 07:55:38 PM »

First up, you cannot ask Anderson, Broad etc. to retire. It's not their call whether they are in the England set-up. The selection committee should have the balls to say no, not good enough.

I think they do need to analyse to data from the games but be critical of themselves, their plans and their set up.

Whilst you say there should be three separate squads, there will be cross over between the teams in part.

Certainly should be different selection committees and either coaches or managers.

There should be a plan from now until the next World Cup with an aim to be up the rankings and challenging for the final.


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