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[edge]

While it's a different sport, you think Jose Mourinho/Alex Ferguson/Guus Hiddink have trouble because they didn't have much of a playing career? Cricket would do well to take note, as the managerial style is moving closer to a football model (manager with a team of coaches rather than one coach), player management and motivation is far more important for a head coach than their personal skills. Whether than means Darren Lehmann ex-pro motivational style or Mourinho management style, players who've made it to international level don't need someone endlessly messing with their technique! Let the batting/bowling coaches do that if really necessary (and they should be the ones who must have serious playing experience), coach is there to manage the team in my view. Moores clearly doesn't do that well, which is his problem.

[skip1973]

The irony is we have been focusing on ODI cricket since August, I don't think any other full ICC member had that luxury and we still didn't have the right team playing. Which just proves our game is run by bumbling idiots, sack the lot.

id give the new chairman a crack, but then get some quality ex England players in there (to run the England set up) who know what's needed to win at international level not some county run of the mill who have never played in a world cup or succeeded in the heat of a test series with Aus/SA etc.  Botham, Hussain, Gower, Willis, Atherton, Flintoff, Swann, Stewart, Butcher Vaughan et al put down your mic's your country needs you!

None of those have experience in being in good ODI sides, Vaughan can't criticise anyone, his ODI record is disgraceful. Someone like Tom Moody would be a good guy to get in the set up and stop playing rubbish draw cricket.

[uknsaunders]

Slightly off topic - who else is impressed with Mark Butcher as a TV pundit/analyst? Seems to talk alot of sense, as opposed to the ranting Bob Willis. Can't help thinking that him and the likes of Hughes would make better backroom staff than the present lot. At least they watch cricket and understand how it's played.

[Buzz]

worth listening to the pod cast from the 5Live cricket show last night, it had Butch, Harmi, Ashley Giles and Goochie - they were all excellent.

If it were up to me Nasser, Butch and Harmi would all be involved in the England set up.
I still can't believe that Harmi didn't even get a phone call after his application to be a selector.

[ppccopener]

I like Carberry, he talks sense,as does Butch.Interesting contrast with Bob W the other night, Carbs had two earrings, lots of gold round his neck and a cheesecloth shirt open to the navel...
 

[Stuey]

None of those have experience in being in good ODI sides, Vaughan can't criticise anyone, his ODI record is disgraceful. Someone like Tom Moody would be a good guy to get in the set up and stop playing rubbish draw cricket.

you seriously want an Aussie running the England team? That would complete the humiliation. You obviously dont recall Botham/stewart playing in the 92 WC final. Vaughan taking the Aussies on single handed in 2001\2, i was there for the tour, he was the only player the Aussies respected. I could carry on but my point is that these guys are forward looking, understand what it takes to win at international level. The current incumbents dont.

[WalkingWicket37]

Slightly off topic - who else is impressed with Mark Butcher as a TV pundit/analyst? Seems to talk alot of sense, as opposed to the ranting Bob Willis. Can't help thinking that him and the likes of Hughes would make better backroom staff than the present lot. At least they watch cricket and understand how it's played.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31826306

He speaks the truth!

[ProCricketer1982]

Does it matter what nationality a coach/manager is? In the modern world it's about quality/results. I don't care if England have a whole coaching team of Australians if they are the best coaches/managers. You could have Dizzy, Ponting, brett Lee all coming in and it'd be far better than Ramprakash, moores and co.

[Manormanic]

What do you want from a coach?

Well, they have to understand the game.  But that's pretty easy.

They have to understand people.  That bit is harder - especially when you think that that involves dealing with experienced senior pros and young lads in different but complementary ways.  They then have to be able to build a team.  They need to be able to guide and develop their players without over-coaching. 

And they need to be respected.  That could mean that international experience is a pre-requisite (and drop the Mourinho example, the two jobs are completely different)

[Stuey]

Does it matter what nationality a coach/manager is? In the modern world it's about quality/results. I don't care if England have a whole coaching team of Australians if they are the best coaches/managers. You could have Dizzy, Ponting, brett Lee all coming in and it'd be far better than Ramprakash, moores and co.

Bit harsh on Ramps, he's only been the batting coach for 5mins.
Does it matter the nationality....yes an Aussie head coach of England, we may as well wave the white flag.

[iand123]

For those that havent i'd recommend the 5 live podcast last night that had Giles, Gooch, Butcher and Harmison discussing what to do to fix English ODI cricket.

The discussion got around to having a foreign coach. There was a split between who thought it was a good idea/bad idea. Think it was Gooch and Giles who were saying that coaching England is an honour for any English coach and the pinnacle of their game. It was also discussed that since the IPL coaches can earn $1.5 Million for a few weeks work as a coach and that being  England coach isnt the draw to foreign coaches anymore.

hadnt really thought of it like that and you;d think would be a barrier to getting someone highly coveted (believe Kirsten and Fleming have been touted around). Gillespie has said he is concentrating on Yorkshire but wouldnt expect him to say anything else about a job that isnt actually free! I cant really think of many other candidates, give it to Boycott just for the LULZ

[felix]

In 160 ODIs, Bell has as many hundreds as Sangakkara does in his last 4 games. Spmething to work on!

Yes a sad reflection of the depths we have sunk to. Bell has been frequently hyped to the heavens as an experienced batsman to build around, compared frequently to Amla, however 4 hundreds from 160 ODIs doesn't compare too favourably with 20 hundreds from 112 so the comparison is pretty laughable.  And for those that think Trott's the answer, 4 hundreds from 68 isn't that great.

[uknsaunders]

I think Butch and Harmy both said that County Cricket isn't fit for purpose as a finishing school for England.

[ppccopener]

on the coach I don't care if he is Australian/Pakistani/English/welsh or from China..English coaches(Giles) will say it needs to be an Englishman because there's self-interest. Look around the world game no other Countries bother what nationality is running the team. possibly bar India but even they had Kirsten and less of a success,Chappell.....Duncan Fletcher who is there now is more of a token position granted....

We may say would we really want an Australian coaching us but really....look where we are in this World Cup-so far behind the only team we can beat is Scotland? honestly a bit of pruning aint gong to work, we need the garden turned over.

For what it's worth seeing Collingwood coaching Scotland for me took the biscuit..England don't have a position available for him?? are we sure?

I would like to see Colly,ramprakash,thorpe and a new bowling coach working under the main coach going forward.

[golden duck]

Times reports that Downton has had discussions with Graves and he is safe... (no link cause of stupid paywall I'm afraid)