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[Gerry SA]

Ali is only a year older than Maxwell, since Maxwells debut season Ali has averaged 42.36 compared to Maxwells 40.39. Just thought I'd chuck it out there given our love for stats here.

Div 2 runs are no way near the level of the Sheffield Shield

[cricketbadger]

Gary Ballance getting over hyped...what a joke. He scored all his runs against two of the weakest attacks in Test cricket. He's average against proper pace(which Australia have bucket loads off).

As for Maxwell, his FC average is 44.82(FC runs - Test runs), therefore showing he's got plenty of potential to make it as a Test batsman. There where many saying Symonds couldn't make it as a Test player, but he did.

Ali has played pretty all his FC in Div 2 and still doesn't average 40...

Using the same logic you have for Maxwell, and his 44.82 average, giving him plenty of potential to make a test batsmen, how much more potential does Ballance have? You've said he's over-rated, yet he averages over 10 more (55.51) than Maxwell does, Maxwell who according to you has plenty of potential. Not to mention Ballance already averages 60 in test matches, so what if its against what you feel are 2 of the weakest attacks in test cricket. Is that his fault? He only plays against who is put in front of him.

And dont forget he averages 60.75 more than you do in Test cricket.

[Gerry SA]

Using the same logic you have for Maxwell, and his 44.82 average, giving him plenty of potential to make a test batsmen, how much more potential does Ballance have? You've said he's over-rated, yet he averages over 10 more (55.51) than Maxwell does, Maxwell who according to you has plenty of potential. Not to mention Ballance already averages 60 in test matches, so what if its against what you feel are 2 of the weakest attacks in test cricket. Is that his fault? He only plays against who is put in front of him.

And dont forget he averages 60.75 more than you do in Test cricket.

Ballance averages something silly like 70 odd playing in Zimbabwe's FC competition, clearing boosting the average...

Lets see Ballance's average after he's exposed by NZ & AUS...

[Sam]

Still leaving his average above Maxwells without them runs however 

[Gerry SA]

Still leaving his average above Maxwells without them runs however 

Helps when Ballance scores his runs against the many substandard county attacks...

[edge]

Cook vs Warner --- Aus
Trott vs Rogers --- draw - ridiculous, Trott is properly class
Ballance vs Burns --- draw - ridiculous, Burns' performances in first class and tests so far haven't been on the same planet as Ballance
Bell vs Clarke --- Aus - draw for me
Root vs Smith --- draw
Ali vs Maxwell --- Aus - are you kidding me?
Stokes vs Marsh --- Aus
Buttler vs Haddin --- draw
Woakes vs Johnson --- Aus
Broad vs Harris --- Aus
Anderson vs Hazlewood --- Eng (unless it's not swinging, in which case draw)
Plunkett vs Starc --- draw
Rashid vs Lyon ---aus (based purely on the fact Lyon has been there, Rashid hasn't and with Warner, clarke, smith etc.. they'll mince him.)

[ProCricketer1982]

Trotts been out. no idea what he'll be like now

Ballance could be good but he's scored his runs mainly against weak bowling

Bell is not as good as Clarke.. come on

Ali is not as good as Maxwell.. he can't play the short ball ffs  sheffield shield runs mean far more than div 2 runs too. Ali has shown in this WC that he scores against weak bowling, not again good bowling.

[Sam]

On a side note Trott is actually already out in the Caribbean with Warwickshire on their pre-season tour at the moment by the way.

[edge]

Probably better, he's still the same person but has had a break and time to deal with his mental problems. Do not underestimate how good a batsman he is.

Those would be the same weak bowlers Joe Burns didn't make any runs against?

In England, and particularly with none of Clarke's injury problems, I'd say yes he is.

The ashes is a test match series, not t20. Ali has been a moderate success in tests, Maxwell has been a shambles.

[Bats_Entertainment]

Those would be the same weak bowlers Joe Burns didn't make any runs against?

Such as Mark Footitt?

[Manormanic]

Gary Ballance getting over hyped...what a joke. He scored all his runs against two of the weakest attacks in Test cricket. He's average against proper pace(which Australia have bucket loads off).

As for Maxwell, his FC average is 44.82(FC runs - Test runs), therefore showing he's got plenty of potential to make it as a Test batsman. There where many saying Symonds couldn't make it as a Test player, but he did.

Hmmmm, so by your argument, Maxwell is a better test batsman than Ballance...even by your standards that one is a leap.  At this stage all that can be said conclusively is that Maxwell has done nothing to show that he is up to test cricket whilst Ballance has scored runs against what was put in front of him, which is all anyone can really do (and you'd be in uproar if I pointed out your deification of Stephen SMith based on runs on better batting pitches against the same weak Indian attack!) 

[Manormanic]

Helps when Ballance scores his runs against the many substandard county attacks...

Whilst the D2 vs Shield argument expressed vis-a-vis Ali is valid, the difference between D1 and Shield is negligible, indeed at times D1 is and has been stronger

[Gerry SA]

Whilst the D2 vs Shield argument expressed vis-a-vis Ali is valid, the difference between D1 and Shield is negligible, indeed at times D1 is and has been stronger

Sure it has...9 teams where only realistically 2/3 sides can win the title...

[Gerry SA]

Hmmmm, so by your argument, Maxwell is a better test batsman than Ballance...even by your standards that one is a leap.  At this stage all that can be said conclusively is that Maxwell has done nothing to show that he is up to test cricket whilst Ballance has scored runs against what was put in front of him, which is all anyone can really do (and you'd be in uproar if I pointed out your deification of Stephen SMith based on runs on better batting pitches against the same weak Indian attack!)

Steven Smith also scored a Test 100 against ENG home and away. He also scored a 100 in SA. And he scored runs in IND and UAE. Hardly a dud player.

[Manormanic]

Sure it has...9 teams where only realistically 2/3 sides can win the title...

Hmmmm....in some ways that speaks of just about every sporting competition in the professional world.  Though I would be interested to see how you canjustify a claim that only 2/3 sides can realistically win the title and futher how your perceived situation is any different to the Shield where, lets face it, South Australia are perennial losers and TAsmania have been hopeless.