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[ProCricketer1982]

if his performance in that series is a benchmark for being world Class then there aren't more than a handful work world class players around.

there shouldnt be many.. thats kind of the point. if you start saying loads are world class then it devalues it

[Stuey]

Of course Cook is potentially world class, at 30 yrs he has scored getting on for 9000 test runs @ 46-47 after a very bad run over the last year. If you compare him with a world class player such as Ponting, he scored 13,000 test runs @ 51. With Cook having at least another 6 years to play and more than likely his best years a head of him (based on when the best batsman peak) so say 60-70 tests, that will put him somewhere around Ponting.

[ProCricketer1982]

Of course Cook is potentially world class, at 30 yrs he has scored getting on for 9000 test runs @ 46-47 after a very bad run over the last year. If you compare him with a world class player such as Ponting, he scored 13,000 test runs @ 51. With Cook having at least another 6 years to play and more than likely his best years a head of him (based on when the best batsman peak) so say 60-70 tests, that will put him somewhere around Ponting.

I'd like to see who genuinely thinks Cook is anywhere close in reality  to Ponting

[skip1973]

Ponting 2 years retired is still a better bat than cook.

[Gerry SA]

Generally a batsmens peak is considered between 28-32. But in Cook's case it seems like he peaked early and since bowlers have figured him out in the last 2 years, he's had no answer how to fix his decline.

Cook isn't going to match Ponting.

[SLC]

Needs to give up the captaincy IMO, or he'll soon be a busted flush. If he does, he could be great again.

[joeljonno]

Generally a batsmens peak is considered between 28-32. But in Cook's case it seems like he peaked early and since bowlers have figured him out in the last 2 years, he's had no answer how to fix his decline.

Cook isn't going to match Ponting.

To be fair, he has still time to fix it though. He is struggling but he may find it again.

Whether he will match Ponting if he does is sort himself out is questionable. If he doesn't fix it, he might not be gone after the Ashes.

I think captaincy has played a part too. If this was taken off him, or better, he stepped down, I think this may give him more freedom.

In my opinion, the jury is still out on whether he will get that form back, but time is definitely running out for him.


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[Stuey]

I'd like to see who genuinely thinks Cook is anywhere close in reality  to Ponting

What people think is largely irrelevant, if he ends up scoring 10-12,000 test runs at around 50 the figures speak for themselves.

[edge]

For the umpteenth time, 'world class' doesn't refer to the top 10 players in the game. Logically speaking, 'world class' would be a fair description of any established international player - they are proven good enough to play at international (i.e. world) level. The yardstick in test cricket for world class has always been an average of 40 with the bat, surely any cricket fan knows this?

Potential good news that Ottis Gibson is England's new bowling coach, did a good job last time even if it's not a huge step forward.

[ProCricketer1982]

For the umpteenth time, 'world class' doesn't refer to the top 10 players in the game. Logically speaking, 'world class' would be a fair description of any established international player - they are proven good enough to play at international (i.e. world) level. The yardstick in test cricket for world class has always been an average of 40 with the bat, surely any cricket fan knows this?

Potential good news that Ottis Gibson is England's new bowling coach, did a good job last time even if it's not a huge step forward.

surely international players are 'international class' ?? World class is for the cream at the top only. People go through spells of form when they play world class innings/bowling spells etc but then drop away to be back to 'normal'. Only a few are able to genuinely have a career where their normal is actually world class

it's a very over used term people apply to their hero's/team though so tbh, it's lost it's rarity

[ProCricketer1982]

What people think is largely irrelevant, if he ends up scoring 10-12,000 test runs at around 50 the figures speak for themselves.

stats aren't everything

[Gerry SA]

40 is be no means the signs of a world class batsman. 40 means you've built a successful career. 45-49 means you're borderline world class. 50+ means you are world class eg the class apart.

[Kulli]

40 is be no means the signs of a world class batsman. 40 means you've built a successful career. 45-49 means you're borderline world class. 50+ means you are world class eg the class apart.

What if you play most of your tests on featherbeds in WI or SL?

[golden duck]

Perhaps one way to look at whether someone is world class is, would they get into a 'all-star' type team.  These would be the players who are on absolute top form at that current time, who have shown the ability to score runs/take wickets etc at critical times.

You could build a squad of 15 ish players.  Maybe even go for 22, that way they could 'play' each other.  But it would limit the over use of world class (which you see a whole lot more in Football etc)

[ProCricketer1982]

What if you play most of your tests on featherbeds in WI or SL?

that's one of the issues with stats, they can be inflated by 'easy' tours. India in Eng for example was a time Eng could cash in runs and wickets against a helpless India. Or, as you  say... a tour of WI/Bnagladesh. Wouldn't take many tours of india where 700-4 plays 678-6 to inflate an avg