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[Stuey]

I can't see a backroom team of Gillespie, Ponting, Warne and Brett Lee. Jesus christ, this is England we are talking about. Can you imagine rocking up to an Ashes series with that lot on the England balcony? I know it doesn't matter where they are from on paper but get real!

Fully agree, I've argued this point too! We might as well put up the white flag, can you imagine the Aussies having an English coach and staff for the Ashes.....it would never ever happen. There are plenty of homebased coaches/ Ex pros to choose from, we don't need to sell our soul to the Aussies.

[ProCricketer1982]

I'm not saying no to one or two of them, but can you honestly see the whole England back room staff being Australian? I think Dizzy would be a great choice, I just can't see the Home balcony at Lords being manned by 5 aussies.

why?

surely you want the best possible person doing each discipline ?? given the age group of likely coaches and the fact that they come from a time when aus were by far the best... stands to reason most will be australian.  it's coaching, not representing your country.

[Stuey]

why?

surely you want the best possible person doing each discipline ?? given the age group of likely coaches and the fact that they come from a time when aus were by far the best... stands to reason most will be australian.  it's coaching, not representing your country.

It is representing your country, it's preparing and sending your team out to do battle (in a sporting sense) against another countries best. It's pitting your country's cricketing prowess against your opponents prowess, its England v Australia, it's not a business. It's about pride, getting the most out of the ability you have. If all we do is give up and ask our biggest cricketing rivals to manage our national team for us, we might as well crawl back under our rock and be done with it. My best mates Australian, I've lived and played in Australia, if we hand them the keys to our national team we will be a laughing stock forevermore and god help the next touring side in Aus, they will be ripped to shreds. It's akin to asking Napoleon to take charge of our Navy!

[ProCricketer1982]

it's not a business.

and in one four word sentence you miss the whole point now of sport, Team England, ECB

It's all about business!!

[tushar sehgal]

Fully agree, I've argued this point too! We might as well put up the white flag, can you imagine the Aussies having an English coach and staff for the Ashes.....it would never ever happen. There are plenty of homebased coaches/ Ex pros to choose from, we don't need to sell our soul to the Aussies.

There is more to cricket than just Ashes, seems like a point lost and hence the performance of England in WC and other events. Its doesn't matter where 1 or 2 or all of the staff are from, no one will care if you make a team that is world beater in all formats and consistently over time.

If you do well in Ashes but lose everything else, well you are there already. Just my 2 cents.

All the argument about English coach: Feels like India trying to pick a coach 10 years ago

[ProCricketer1982]

There is more to cricket than just Ashes, seems like a point lost and hence the performance of England in WC and other events. Its doesn't matter where 1 or 2 or all of the staff are from, no one will care if you make a team that is world beater in all formats and consistently over time.

If you do well in Ashes but lose everything else, well you are there already. Just my 2 cents.

All the argument about English coach: Feels like India trying to pick a coach 10 years ago

I dunno, I'd take winning the ashes every time and losing the rest

[Stuey]

There is more to cricket than just Ashes, seems like a point lost and hence the performance of England in WC and other events. Its doesn't matter where 1 or 2 or all of the staff are from, no one will care if you make a team that is world beater in all formats and consistently over time.

If you do well in Ashes but lose everything else, well you are there already. Just my 2 cents.

All the argument about English coach: Feels like India trying to pick a coach 10 years ago

Would India appoint a Pakistan coach?

[tushar sehgal]

Would India appoint a Pakistan coach?

I would like to see them do so, Consider Wasim Akram as bowling coach? Yes, and he has been employed with Indian Broadcasters as well as IPL even when the players were banned. Do they have any world classes coaches at the moment that could be considered? No. If they had someone of Gary Kirsten or similar calibre then I don't see why me as general public would object to that. If all of them were Pakistani and India's bowling was the best in the world because of them then yes why not, big picture we still beat Pakistan and took their best talent from them, Win Win

[Stuey]

and in one four word sentence you miss the whole point now of sport, Team England, ECB

It's all about business!!

I'm fully aware of the economics behind professional sport, but that doesn't mean we have to completely sell our soul.  Lets keep some pride, the ECB just need to find the right English/Welsh coach, which they haven't done so far.

[ProCricketer1982]

I'm fully aware of the economics behind professional sport, but that doesn't mean we have to completely sell our soul.  Lets keep some pride, the ECB just need to find the right English/Welsh coach, which they haven't done so far.

Then you will realise that they will always do what is best for the bank balance, not for the sport. IF the best person to lead/coach is australian, pink, black, asian, irish then who gives a crap. put the best man/woman in the job based on their ability not quals or if they are yes men.

and pro sport has no soul now. That has long gone.

[Stuey]

I would like to see them do so, Consider Wasim Akram as bowling coach? Yes, and he has been employed with Indian Broadcasters as well as IPL even when the players were banned. Do they have any world classes coaches at the moment that could be considered? No. If they had someone of Gary Kirsten or similar calibre then I don't see why me as general public would object to that. If all of them were Pakistani and India's bowling was the best in the world because of them then yes why not, big picture we still beat Pakistan and took their best talent from them, Win Win

Because we may as well pack up international sport and just play County/State/IPL cricket, where we can pick which ever nationality we want. Surely the whole original point of International sport is to pit one nation against another, not a group of people because it suits and can be financially afforded.

[ProCricketer1982]

Because we may as well pack up international sport and just play County/State/IPL cricket, where we can pick which ever nationality we want. Surely the whole original point of International sport is to pit one nation against another, not a group of people because it suits and can be financially afforded.

remind me where duncan fletcher came from? Remind me where Saker or Otis Gibson came from?


I actually would love to see each county ONLY EVER employ it's own nationality as that would be country vs country BUT that's not how it works. Employ the best person for the job, in this case.. Giles vs Gillespie..... Ponting vs Ramprekash.... Lee vs harmisson... Warne vs Such

[tushar sehgal]

Because we may as well pack up international sport and just play County/State/IPL cricket, where we can pick which ever nationality we want. Surely the whole original point of International sport is to pit one nation against another, not a group of people because it suits and can be financially afforded.

IPL was an example to show that yes someone from Pakistan can get work in India as a coach.

Players play the sport, coaches coach. From bottom up majority of your coaches are local (nation wise), in India almost all of the coaches below the national team are Indians but when it comes to a team that is going to represent your country on the world stage you want the best players, best staff & best coaches. At least all our players are Indian since you bring up country vs country. You seem to stuck on english coaches, if you had a coach that was that good he would already have been snapped up by ECB, then either his career ruined or moved so he could be working for some other country.

Get the best Wo/Man to do the job so he could take players from your country and make them winners, doesn't matter where that Wo/Man comes from because its your country winning by getting more fans, people playing and getting interested in the sport.

[Rob580]

No body seems to have taken into consideration that maybe Gillespie, Lee, Ponting & Warne may not want these jobs, it's a lot of ball-ache compared to a bit of commentary and some IPL Coaching, plus chances are, they feel the same and wouldn't want to help out the old enemy. Heaven Forbid they may actually be enjoying watching Australia shaft us at every oppurtunity and not want to change that!

It's not like we get to Cherry-pick whoever we want to come and coach England, we have to pick the best from whatever / whoever may be available or even want the job(s)

[ProCricketer1982]

No body seems to have taken into consideration that maybe Gillespie, Lee, Ponting & Warne may not want these jobs, it's a lot of ball-ache compared to a bit of commentary and some IPL Coaching, plus chances are, they feel the same and wouldn't want to help out the old enemy. Heaven Forbid they may actually be enjoying watching Australia shaft us at every oppurtunity and not want to change that!

It's not like we get to Cherry-pick whoever we want to come and coach England, we have to pick the best from whatever / whoever may be available or even want the job(s)

nobody is saying they would want it, just that people of their ilk should be asked. I have no doubt none/many of them would be interested for various reasons but that shouldn't stop the ECB from pursuing the best and finding out why they don't want the job.. Is it because of the schedule?? (if so, take away the ODI/T20 roles).. is it because they won't have real control over things (ie, their team is picked for them by random selectors?? (if so, get rid of them, make a scouting network reporting to the head coach and let them make all the decisions) etc etc