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[ppccopener]

He has been if you read the posts

indeed...feeling a bit better about English cricket now, at least the process is underway.Vaughan quoting himself as 'forward thinking visionary' is a worry thou, good player,good captain but he could eat himself sometimes,clearly not lacking in bigging himself up

the debate about having an aussie/foreign coach really should not be an issue-you want the best person for the job.We need someone closer to the modern game

slightly off topic some interesting press coming up that Downton's remit 'was to get rid of KP' so those thinking it was his view and his view only maybe slightly off track-he was doing what he was told...

[ProCricketer1982]

indeed...feeling a bit better about English cricket now, at least the process is underway.Vaughan quoting himself as 'forward thinking visionary' is a worry thou, good player,good captain but he could eat himself sometimes,clearly not lacking in bigging himself up

the debate about having an aussie/foreign coach really should not be an issue-you want the best person for the job.We need someone closer to the modern game

slightly off topic some interesting press coming up that Downton's remit 'was to get rid of KP' so those thinking it was his view and his view only maybe slightly off track-he was doing what he was told...

You don't do as you are told if it's wrong, you question it. Also, he went about it badly so he's to blame just as much.

If you are told to do something you know is wrong then you say no, get that person to do it. That's his job, to just to be a yes man, any idiot can be a yes man. A strong person stands up and says no

[tim2000s]

You don't do as you are told if it's wrong, you question it. Also, he went about it badly so he's to blame just as much.

If you are told to do something you know is wrong then you say no, get that person to do it. That's his job, to just to be a yes man, any idiot can be a yes man. A strong person who can afford to stands up and says no

[Seniorplayer]

Hussein should be involved as he when Captain along  with Duncan Fletcher started the last upturn  of England Cricket.

[ProCricketer1982]

sad world when people accept yes men though. Awful people to have in any responsible positions

[ppccopener]

You don't do as you are told if it's wrong, you question it. Also, he went about it badly so he's to blame just as much.

If you are told to do something you know is wrong then you say no, get that person to do it. That's his job, to just to be a yes man, any idiot can be a yes man. A strong person stands up and says no

I see where you are coming from but.....any organisation has a remit for senior managers,which is what Downton was.......I can question things I think are wrong in my job, i'm sure you can,i'm sure many on here can...but ultimately if I refused I would be sacked

that's working life today surely?

[uknsaunders]

Can't Vaughan just shut up and apply for the job like normal people?

[ppccopener]

Can't Vaughan just shut up and apply for the job like normal people?

no that's not possible, he is in the broad/kp/swann/Anderson 'big cheese(grand fromage?) category

Ashes 2005, yes fantastic thanks very much, we will never forget but Cook would love to have that bowling attack we had then and Flintoff doing his Superman impressions....

[uknsaunders]

And he is in the media and needs to self promote himself in order to get work..

[Seniorplayer]

I see where you are coming from but.....any organisation has a remit for senior managers,which is what Downton was.......I can question things I think are wrong in my job, i'm sure you can,i'm sure many on here can...but ultimately if I refused I would be sacked

that's working life today surely?

No  employees should be dismissed if there is justification for the refusal and only then can they be dismissed following an investigation and all the facts have been established.

[roco]

couldn't be sacked straight away but very easy to performance manage someone out of a company quickly

[ProCricketer1982]

I see where you are coming from but.....any organisation has a remit for senior managers,which is what Downton was.......I can question things I think are wrong in my job, i'm sure you can,i'm sure many on here can...but ultimately if I refused I would be sacked

that's working life today surely?

You can't be sacked for questioning things and asking for explanation and reasoning and getting it in writing if you disagree (so safeguarding you from this so called downton episode where he has apparently taken all the flack for something that wasn't his. If you are to be fired you'd need to have done something wrong and they'd have to be able to prove it. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy but surely challenging things is how to improve things?? Just being a yes man improves nothing and keeps the wrong people in management??

[Stumper]

He has been if you read the posts

Oh yeah i must of missed that, off to specsavers.

[ppccopener]

You can't be sacked for questioning things and asking for explanation and reasoning and getting it in writing if you disagree (so safeguarding you from this so called downton episode where he has apparently taken all the flack for something that wasn't his. If you are to be fired you'd need to have done something wrong and they'd have to be able to prove it. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy but surely challenging things is how to improve things?? Just being a yes man improves nothing and keeps the wrong people in management??

I couldn't agree with you more actually,perhaps what has been wrong with our cricket in recent years is just that....too many yes men....take the KP shermozzle.whatever your view of his 'sacking' he challenged coaches,relentless practice against trying to improve skill levels,stats,graphs and paperwork against real life experience of facing the worlds best bowlers(IPL window?) more time in team meetings against less and focus on recovery and rest before big matches?  should he of been ousted for these views-absolutely not...
good management in the work place is not afraid of challenges and different view points, the real world out there can be very different thou

[ProCricketer1982]

couldn't be sacked straight away but very easy to performance manage someone out of a company quickly

Exactly this, you can't be sacked but can be driven out if they wanted.