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[Alvaro]

yes it was good after a poor start,Root is a super player, he got the momentum back for us which is what everyone has been on about in earlier posts(above)

Lyth should of had first go after his season, Trott is (or definatley was) quality,no one knows if he will be back as good as he was until the Ashes, or NZ start roughing him up.

Presuming thou Lyth does not play a game anyone else think if Rashid comes in for Treadwell and Wood comes in for Jordan the whole side looks better and you are not losing anything in the batting?

or is it just me?

I think that there is a bit of 'you're a better player out of the team' in that analysis.

Cook probably messed himself when he saw they'd picked a legspinner. I'd bet he hasn't a scooby how to captain them (no modern English captains could - even Gale had issues with him until Dizzy had a word).

[ppccopener]

I think that there is a bit of 'you're a better player out of the team' in that analysis.

Cook probably messed himself when he saw they'd picked a legspinner. I'd bet he hasn't a scooby how to captain them (no modern English captains could - even Gale had issues with him until Dizzy had a word).

I see that but surely that would only apply for someone who has played a lot of test cricket? Rashid and Wood have not,hardly at all.

They are better players out when they have hardly played at all? how do we know if they don't get a chance to play.....

[Alvaro]

Have you seen Wood play?

At the moment he's the hyped young bolter. How does Jordan become a better player if he's in and out of the team? He needs a chance to play in different conditions - as he's obviously got serious talent. 

Rashid will bowl filth every over. This doesn't fit in the game plan of using a spinner to contain. His place on this tour feels more like a reward for a good season last year, rather than any serious intent to play him.

[WalkingWicket37]

Have you seen Wood play?

At the moment he's the hyped young bolter. How does Jordan become a better player if he's in and out of the team? He needs a chance to play in different conditions - as he's obviously got serious talent. 

Rashid will bowl filth every over. This doesn't fit in the game plan of using a spinner to contain. His place on this tour feels more like a reward for a good season last year, rather than any serious intent to play him.

And there lies the problem! What's the point of "rewarding a good season" by taking a player on tour as a drinks carrier.
Surely it'd be more beneficial to actually play championship cricket back home, rather than sitting watching England and taking the drinks on every few overs...

[Alvaro]

Completely agree. Don't rock the boat and upset the exciting new brand of cricket, which is the same as it's been for a good few years now.

[ppccopener]

Have you seen Wood play?

At the moment he's the hyped young bolter. How does Jordan become a better player if he's in and out of the team? He needs a chance to play in different conditions - as he's obviously got serious talent. 

Rashid will bowl filth every over. This doesn't fit in the game plan of using a spinner to contain. His place on this tour feels more like a reward for a good season last year, rather than any serious intent to play him.

I have seen Wood play, and Rashid. I see your viewpoint now...actually wickets in the Windies we know no longer favour pace, hav'nt done for years. So I thought England may genuinely select Rashid.
Having seen yesterdays play two spinners towards the end of the match may well be more use than medium pace.
If Rashid gets selected as 'reward for a good season to carry the drinks' Tredwell get's reward(a tour place) for having a poor season and being loaned out to another County I think i'm lost in the selection muddle. Maybe they should scrap Championship cricket.

[Alvaro]

I don't agree with England's approach from my arm chair. I agree that Rashid should get a game but all the obstacles in his way make his selection completely fruitless. He is essentially PR 'We are picking exciting new players' then completely reverting to type.

Tredwell could well have been selected because he's a good egg. And that matters a lot in Cook's England... Not that he hasn't been messed around. Good in ODIs, not a sniff of a WC game, pants at FC cricket for a few years, have a Test. Nuts. Good analysis from Vaughan that. He must have cribbed it from someone else...

[SLC]

I don't understand how England seem to think it is more useful for a young (ish) player to carry drinks, than to be playing competitive cc cricket.

And that's even forgetting their habit of actually braking players with tinkering.

[KIPPERS]

Bring in Robert Key as skipper. He would get the first round in and cheer up these miserable buggers. The refreshing thing about Roooooot is .....The smile on his face.

[ppccopener]

well said

[Sam]

I don't understand how England seem to think it is more useful for a young (ish) player to carry drinks, than to be playing competitive cc cricket.

They probably don't, but what do you suggest as an alternative? Only take 11 players?

[Kieron_BT]

They probably don't, but what do you suggest as an alternative? Only take 11 players?

I sometimes think yes during the English season. If someone gets injured they should be able to use a local as a sub-fielder.

If they require a replacement then he can be over within 10 hours anyway.

So what if they haven't been out there a while, they aren't exactly getting decent warm up practice anyway, might as well be playing CC as well as warming the bench.

[uknsaunders]

I watched a bit of Rashid on Sky last year in the CC and I thought he did a very good job. Playing against Durham and Notts he bowled well. Unless you are Shane Warne, most leg spinners will bowl a bad ball. You are picking him to take wickets though, leave the containing stuff to Tredders. I reckon once Ali is in they might pick him and drop a batter - Trott perhaps, if they need to chase the series. Alternatively drop Jordan and bolster the batting if they have a series lead and the deck looks like turning.

[uknsaunders]

I sometimes think yes during the English season. If someone gets injured they should be able to use a local as a sub-fielder.

If they require a replacement then he can be over within 10 hours anyway.

So what if they haven't been out there a while, they aren't exactly getting decent warm up practice anyway, might as well be playing CC as well as warming the bench.

Windies and SA are pretty timezone friendly. The Windies surfaces don't appear to take much getting use to and they use Dukes balls (albeit slightly different types). It's as close to home from home as an England team will get.

Bit fo shame really, use to be good viewing watching the ball fly around in the Windies off a quick deck. What killed all the pace out of the decks?

[SLC]

I wouldn't only take 11, but definitely would only take people I could see picking.

Is Wood going to get any chance of a game in this series?