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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #600 on: May 02, 2015, 09:54:21 PM »

Aye Ok pal :D

How did these top England players bat today ?
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #601 on: May 02, 2015, 10:00:12 PM »

Lyth most likely going to play against NZ, end of trotts test career i guess. Hales should get a crack tho
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #602 on: May 02, 2015, 10:33:02 PM »


How did these top England players bat today ?

Can you honestly say KP would have done any better?  All speculation.

KP has had his chance, he blew it multiple times. If he shown he can muster some runs in the CC and there is a batsman failing repeatedly in the middle order (I guess Bell is the closest to that currently), then he might get one last shot.


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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #603 on: May 02, 2015, 10:35:38 PM »

Bell scored a hundred 2 years ago so he's hardly consistently failing, even if he hadn't scored one for 18 months he'd be selected ahead of KP by the current bunch of muppets in charge so it's irrelevant anyway really...
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #604 on: May 02, 2015, 10:50:33 PM »

I'm not saying he is close to being dropped, but he has scored 12 runs in the last 4 innings whereas Root and Ballance have done well.

What I was suggesting is that it will take a lot for KP to force his way back in to the team.

Whilst there is some questions around some selections, I wonder who gets the final call. To say they are all muppets may be harsh (although they might all be) as we do not know the true rationale of how teams and squad get picked.

Personally, I think they are trying to play safe and be as solid as possible. I would prefer a bit more adventurousness.


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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #605 on: May 02, 2015, 11:10:23 PM »

I was just using him as an example because he'd been mentioned.

You could put any name there really "KP won't get selected ahead of XXXX - because Moores prefers XXXX as a person and they're easier to man manage"

As for them all being a bunch of muppet, the evidence:

Peter Moores - he was crap the first time, so he gets a second go.
KPs sacking, did he really deserve it?
Peter Moores - "we need to have a look at the stats"
The openers position - why has it been such an issue recently, I can't recall it being such a headache before?
Alex Hales - everyone except the ECB can see he should be playing at least ODIs, if not tests as well.
James Tredwell - from 2nd XI to test match, to water boy (after a decent game). The mind boggles
Moeen Ali - he's a batsman who bowls, why try and make him a frontline spinner?
Adil Rashid - why take a quality leggy with no intentions to play him?
Stokes & Jordan - pick one and sort the balance of the side please. We don't need 2 5th bowlers who can bat a bit!
Liam Plunkett - whys eh month playing again?
Jonathan Trott - just because he's Cook's mate you can't make him an opener!
Adam Lyth - why isn't he opening in this series?
This test - why isn't there a frontline spinner playing on a Bunsen?
The analysts - what do they analyse exactly? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to be working...
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #606 on: May 02, 2015, 11:11:00 PM »

Who's gonna stick up for mental midget Ian Bell today then? I've said all along he's got no bottle, yet you guys always defend him.
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #607 on: May 03, 2015, 06:56:49 AM »

He certainly hasn't turned up in this test of that you are spot on! You also cannot defend the indefensible with that review. Desperation to avoid a pair that looked like!
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #608 on: May 03, 2015, 07:11:09 AM »




You could put any name there really "KP won't get selected ahead of XXXX - because Moores prefers XXXX as a person and they're easier to man manage"

As for them all being a bunch of muppet, the evidence:

Peter Moores - he was crap the first time, so he gets a second go. - some people get better with experience. As I recall, there wasn't a long list of applicants that were much better. As long as you learn from mistakes you never truly fail.

KPs sacking, did he really deserve it? - Yes. He is an idiot and if this was an every day company he'd have been sacked long ago.

Peter Moores - "we need to have a look at the stats" - Stats are an important part of the game, but not the be all and end all. This isn't a problem, this is a cop out and saying "I don't know what went wrong".

The openers position - why has it been such an issue recently, I can't recall it being such a headache before? - Blessed with 4 great openers over the last few years. They want a quick fix when any of the recent openers will have done ok if given enough time.

Alex Hales - everyone except the ECB can see he should be playing at least ODIs, if not tests as well. - Tests?  Really?  Instead of who?

James Tredwell - from 2nd XI to test match, to water boy (after a decent game). The mind boggles - He was never more than a filler-inner. They always wanted Ali to play as the front line spinner. When it came to attacking and getting wickets, Tredwell was nowhere. I bet ever I could have probably done ok against him.


Moeen Ali - he's a batsman who bowls, why try and make him a frontline spinner? Trying to get too many bit part players, want the all rounders in the game.

Adil Rashid - why take a quality leggy with no intentions to play him? I think the quote was "he's bowling rubbish and too many 4 balls, he's out here getting experience"


Stokes & Jordan - pick one and sort the balance of the side please. We don't need 2 5th bowlers who can bat a bit! I presume the selectors think this is the best 11 for the pitch.

Liam Plunkett - whys eh month playing again? I guess the selectors think Stokes and Jordan are better bowlers.

Jonathan Trott - just because he's Cook's mate you can't make him an opener! - Solid performer, now what you get with him. Not the worst idea but the experiment should have only done two tests.

Adam Lyth - why isn't he opening in this series? Maybe they are waiting to pick Hales as 'everyone' thinks he should play tests?

This test - why isn't there a frontline spinner playing on a Bunsen? Selectors pick the best 11. How many wickets have fallen to spinners so far?

The analysts - what do they analyse exactly? Whatever it is it doesn't seem to be working... - they analyse a lot, I have a lot of time for these. Surely it's the fault of the coaches who cannot take their information and use it effectively.

Anyway, back to this test. What a shambles. Hopefully Ballance and the all rounders will be able to put a few on and get a score to defend.


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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #609 on: May 03, 2015, 11:10:26 AM »

Lucky enough to be out here watching this test- can't wait for today's play.
Yesterday was quite something. I still fancy us to get another 75-100 runs, which would make for an interesting WI target.

Either way, I reckon I'm  gonna be on the beach for day five(and most of day four)
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #610 on: May 03, 2015, 01:36:02 PM »

Had a quality spinner played for either side, they would have ripped through the opposition. But then again hardly any quality spinners around
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #611 on: May 03, 2015, 02:38:18 PM »

Gary Ballance falls to Veerasammy Permaul. 6/63.
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #612 on: May 03, 2015, 03:13:41 PM »

Ben Stokes gone for 32, another wicket to Permaul. 7/96, lead 164
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #613 on: May 03, 2015, 03:25:48 PM »

Jordon gone to.

Done nothing with ball and nothing with bat this game.
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Re: ENG Test Series v WINDIES
« Reply #614 on: May 03, 2015, 03:26:35 PM »

Jordan gone, broad shouldn't last too long either.

How the management haven't told broad to bat at 11 yet is pretty surprising
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