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[joeljonno]

Graves did say if England don't win there will be an enquiry.

He also called west indies a mediocre team. Not bad for a mediocre team without some of their best players.
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They are 8 in the world. Getting better. Solid team but England should have won this series.

Graves won't u-turn. There'll be a big blow out from this. Someone will go or something will change.


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[ProCricketer1982]

Moores MUST be fired
The back room staff (analysts etc) must be fired
Cook must step down as captain
Cook must be sent packing to LVCC and score runs
Trott pensioned off
Broad send packing (cancelling Central contract) to LVCC to prove himself
Ali send packing
Buttler told to go play LVCC and learn to play proper cricket
Jordan taken off central contract (if he has one), sent packing to LVCC
Stokes told to buck up and improve fast
Tredwell fired
Bell told to buck up or he's gone by the end of the ashes

Completely incompetent. ECB are a shambles and anyone supporting them should be ashamed they've been part of it. WI are low in the rankings for a reason, missing their best players as well. No amount of 'we underestimated them' cuts it.. England should have won and won very very very well.. top 6 should have scored 50's for fun, bowlers should have ripped it apart. no excuses

[ProCricketer1982]

Right - perhaps I should have picked the Xi that I would pick, rather than what the selectors would pick -

Manager - Strauss
Coach - Moody
Batting Coach - Collingwood
Bowling Coach - Donald (if he would do it)


Hales
Lyth
Ballance
Root
Taylor*
Stokes
Buttler+
Willey
Plunkett
Anderson
Panesar

I could get behind that team Brucie. Just not with Broad, Cook in it anymore.

[ProCricketer1982]

They are 8 in the world. Getting better. Solid team but England should have won this series.

Graves won't u-turn. There'll be a big blow out from this. Someone will go or something will change.


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trouble is.. moores will take the fall and then every will forget that the players woefully underperformed (probably only anderson, root and ballance apart - not seen root/ballances stats though but they feel like they've at least performed)

[joeljonno]

trouble is.. moores will take the fall and then every will forget that the players woefully underperformed (probably only anderson, root and ballance apart - not seen root/ballances stats though but they feel like they've at least performed)

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Series/SeriesAnalysis.asp?SeriesCode=0682&Scope=02

Root, Ballance and Cook all above 50. Then Buttler at 37.5. Everyone else is poor.

Anderson way out under 17 with the ball. Oddly, Tredwell, Root and Ali all rather similar stats. Much of a muchness.


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[ProCricketer1982]

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Series/SeriesAnalysis.asp?SeriesCode=0682&Scope=02

Root, Ballance and Cook all above 50. Then Buttler at 37.5. Everyone else is poor.

Anderson way out under 17 with the ball. Oddly, Tredwell, Root and Ali all rather similar stats. Much of a muchness.


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Cook did avg 50 BUT.. didn't play well and is part of the toxic fumes around Eng cricket. Ali isn't good enough, tredwell, Broad has lost it, Jordan, stokes is at least pacey!! rather than mid/low 80's

Just totally embarrassed by this group of players. If these are the 'best' 'we' can produce from our system then the system is massively flawed

[jwebber86]

i do hope there will be some changes before the new zealand series.

its all got rather rubbish and predictable recently.

broad seems to be a different player to what he was. stokes seems like a batsmen who can bowl but needs to improve. see him as a 4th seamer in a 5 man attack. buttler should move up the order to 6/7. lyth has to come in as one of the openers. bells last summer chance if he fails bring in hales. lastly need to find a decent spinner

[ProCricketer1982]

i do hope there will be some changes before the new zealand series.

its all got rather rubbish and predictable recently.

broad seems to be a different player to what he was. stokes seems like a batsmen who can bowl but needs to improve. see him as a 4th seamer in a 5 man attack. buttler should move up the order to 6/7. lyth has to come in as one of the openers. bells last summer chance if he fails bring in hales. lastly need to find a decent spinner

why buttler up the order?? seriously what has he showed you in tests to warrant thinking he is a test batsmen.. his avg this series has been massively inflated by not outs! he's a white ball player currently in a test team.. only doing well when playing white ball like innings.. n

[csnew]

Moores thinks England had a good series. What a joke.

Really is boring hearing the same rubbish coming from cook and moores.
First time I've heard someone say it's harder for a spinner sometimes if the conditions are in your favour

[joeljonno]

why buttler up the order?? seriously what has he showed you in tests to warrant thinking he is a test batsmen.. his avg this series has been massively inflated by not outs! he's a white ball player currently in a test team.. only doing well when playing white ball like innings.. n

Whilst he is still learning the 'red ball' game, he has scored 45 or more in 4 of his 7 test innings.

You can only get better by facing better opposition and he will not get that as much in the CC.

Buttler is potentially (and possibly a little tongue in cheek) a Gilchrist style cricketer.


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[FattusCattus]

Moores thinks England had a good series. What a joke.

Really is boring hearing the same rubbish coming from cook and moores.
First time I've heard someone say it's harder for a spinner sometimes if the conditions are in your favour

Really? Did he actually say that?

Bloody hell! As an England follower I say the following:


Moores can obviously not motivate / inspire / select an England side

Broad / Bell / Ali / Trott have no right to an automatic selection in the team that they currently have

Graves better start the shake-up pretty damn quickly

Get some young, hungry bodies into this XI

Start thinking outside the box, and use some of the instinctive, brilliant talent this country has.

We are not useless, we have some very talented cricketers - they simply need to be managed and motivated right!!!!!!!!!!

[Alvaro]

Buttler at eight is wasted.

These are good players, who have yet to develop know how at Test level. Chucking them all out and starting again is frankly ridiculous. What would happen? Immediate scores of 600 and wins in 2 1/2 days. How many England players in this side have played more than 20 games? It makes perfect sense to try and grow a team from the, ahem, ashes of defeat. The best examples I can think of are Nasser's England. They lost a bit, but stuck with some new guys who weren't great straight away, they played negative, negative cricket, and from that came the spine of the 2003-2005 team, which was fantastic.

Instant change, for instant gratification won't happen. Evolve, tweak and gain experience. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[addidasf55]

Would've won that game with KP... Heard he bowls some mystery off spin too..

[smilley792]

I think moores has done this on purpose.

Drop stokes from wc squad.
sack cook at last minute to destabilise side.
Put out of form morgan in charge to frazzled his brain.
Ignore to upcoming youths selectors sent and play a mixed side with far to many allrounder instead.
Bat trott out of position despite his fragile Ness.
Refuse to drop broad even those he's shot.


Watch us tumble down the rankings thinking "should have backed me 1st time,  now look at us, we are crap and you refuse to sack me as you'll think it's admitting your wrong. Trololol.  Where's my cheque"

[FattusCattus]

Buttler at eight is wasted.

These are good players, who have yet to develop know how at Test level. Chucking them all out and starting again is frankly ridiculous. What would happen? Immediate scores of 600 and wins in 2 1/2 days. How many England players in this side have played more than 20 games? It makes perfect sense to try and grow a team from the, ahem, ashes of defeat. The best examples I can think of are Nasser's England. They lost a bit, but stuck with some new guys who weren't great straight away, they played negative, negative cricket, and from that came the spine of the 2003-2005 team, which was fantastic.

Instant change, for instant gratification won't happen. Evolve, tweak and gain experience. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I think you'll find that the ones who I threw out were Cook, Trott, Bell, Ali, Broad, Jordan.

No instant change there - you tell me which of them deserve to keep their places  unreservedly?