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[InternalTraining]

^ What a sorry mess this issue has become!

[felix]

Whether you love KP or loathe him, think this is a very articulate condemnation of the ECB...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/874679.html

[Disco]

It's just a load more woe is me (No Swearing Please) from someone who has had his massive ego bruised.

The only person to blame for him not playing for England is himself, unfortunately he'll never realise this.

[ppccopener]

Whether you love KP or loathe him, think this is a very articulate condemnation of the ECB...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/874679.html

Absolutley,Andrew Miller hits the nail on the head.The KP saga has been a disaster of pr from the ECB...Strauss is taking the flak today but it must be Cook behind the scenes-Strauss seems,and i say seems,to be taking one for the team and not handing the new(ish) team a problem he knows too well.Thats his opinion of course,but somehow the whole ECB sees a problem.
The real issue in the article is how they connect with the fans.I had a great day last summer watching mcc v r of w with my mate-a huge indian fan.all told the day cost me 200 quid-yes we had a few beers.
Start there and stop the middle class image and prices.That would be a start.

[SLC]

From his interview today, I really wish Nasser had gone for Strauss's job, he'dve been fantastic.

[joeljonno]

It is just cricket.
Don't draw parallels to everyday life and work.
I don't see you sledging folk at work?

But it is more than "just cricket".

You won't see people sledging at work as that would be akin to sledging your teammates.

I see a lot of companies saying why others are so bad and themselves so great. That is sledging in the "real world".

[ProCricketer1982]

This is just showing that there are two sets of fans currently, those who blindly follow the ECB and those who have now seen them for what they are. Simply put, viewership is down, participation is down,, the game in England (don't really care about anywhere else) is failing.l all the pro ecb'ers can do is say 'hey, I support cook and the lads'.. Unfortunately they don't represent half the fans out there anymore..my hats the true sad state of affairs,, oh and they'll get smashed this summer to prove how poor they are (not that the pro ecb'ers will say it or he hacks will report it)

[mcgill123]

Apologies mcgill.. Got carried away today man.. Nothing personal. Agree to disagree I guess haha.
As for the cook comment, tbh I was just pissed, still support him for test cricket.

Guess that's the moral of the KP saga, don't write when you're pissed off. 

No apologies needed, discussion is what forums are about.
I never sensed any malice, it was just an exchange of opinions.

[Cin88]

oh and they'll get smashed this summer to prove how poor they are (not that the pro ecb'ers will say it or he hacks will report it)

Not only do I agree with this but I actually hope it happens. I hope NZ and the Aussies absolutely smash the England team to bits, because its the only way anything will get done about the sorry state of the team.

[joeljonno]

This is just showing that there are two sets of fans currently, those who blindly follow the ECB and those who have now seen them for what they are. Simply put, viewership is down, participation is down,, the game in England (don't really care about anywhere else) is failing.l all the pro ecb'ers can do is say 'hey, I support cook and the lads'.. Unfortunately they don't represent half the fans out there anymore..my hats the true sad state of affairs,, oh and they'll get smashed this summer to prove how poor they are (not that the pro ecb'ers will say it or he hacks will report it)

Err, no. I think this shows there are a lot more than two. You are basically saying if you don't think KP should be suing then you are against all cricket everywhere.

KP will not win the Ashes for England. KP will not bring viewership back up to 2005 level. KP will not bring participation back up.

[csnew]

Kp for England coach 

"Morning all, after a pretty bad day yesterday I've given it a lot of thought overnight. I'm applying for the coaching job! #StraussLogic "

[ppccopener]

can no one on here see why the coaching role was offered yesterday? seriously?

The ECB are stuck on dodgy ground so they give him the bad news and then offer something they KNOW he will reject on the basis that could start building the 'trust' issue up

Yes it's underhand, yes they have treated him badly recently by feeding a phoney line about scoring runs for Surrey.

Now they can turn round and say, we tried to get him involved and he was not interested.Strauss knows KP is just about KP and it's just a tit bit to get some moral ground back.

that's all......this whole thing is a disaster of mis-trust,bad management and abysmal PR

BUT......England have got to move forward with the middle order they have as they are young enough to improve and created an environment of team values-yes it's a team game at the end of the day.

The ECB are now treating KP exactly as he treated them-with complete disrespect...

They have braced themselves for a social media slagging and at some point,will move on.

It's poor for the fans of KP,and the paying public, but at some point even Alex Ferguson moved on players who could not adapt to the team ethic.

[uknsaunders]

It's poor for the fans of KP,and the paying public, but at some point even Alex Ferguson moved on players who could not adapt to the team ethic.

Not a great example. Fergie moved on players who questioned him. Football is a true team game, all the parts have to work together or it falls apart. Cricket is a sport dominated by individuals. 1 batsman is up against a bowler and 10 fielders for example. In this situation you need hungry strong players willing to work at their own games. The only time team ethic comes into it is when a player isn't working hard enough. Something KP has never been accused of.

If he is going to coach the ODI side (is this the same as the advisory thing he was offered?) then good for him.

[tim2000s]

This is all well and good, but let me take the names KP and ECB out and replay what has happened here. In the case below I reckon you'd have all sorts of discrimination and constructive dismissal claims going on.

Hi Employee No 576, we believe that you have been talking to our competitor and giving away trade secrets. That is gross misconduct and would normally result in a us sacking you. Please hand over any evidence you have of such activity.

I haven't undertaken what you have accused me of, and therefore I have no evidence to show you that I have given away trade secrets.

Hmm, okay, well we also have evidence of you being nasty about our Sales Manager, so we are going to suspend you with full pay until we have decided what to do with you.

That's not fair, but do I have a choice? Didn't think so. Well you will be losing your most productive employee while you do that, but if that's what you want to do...

Right employee no. 576, we have decided that you need to apologise to the MD for your behaviour to those it has affected, and then we'll allow you to come back to work.

Okay, I enjoy working here and I believe that I can be the best employee ever and will go down in the history books so I will accept your terms, even if I don't like them.

Fast forward 18 months....

Employee number 576, the last six months have been terrible for the firm, so we have to let you go. You are being sacked and we will never have you working for us again as it's all your fault. We don't care about your reputation and how you make our competition feel.

You guys are crazy. How do you expect to win business without me?

Number 576, that's the way it works. Goodbye.

You cretinous fools, I'll go to a tribunal. I'll go public. You'll see. I'll make you a laughing stock.

Not if we make sure that you're discredited first.

Goes to papers

A year later and the company senior management is replaced

Hi ex-employee 576, I'm the new CEO, and I've always admired the work you did for us. It would be great to have you doing that properly for us again, but I can't afford to pay you to do it yet. I understand we have an opening with a subsidiary, but we aren't able to pay you what you've been earning after you found a new job. Would you mind working for free for a little bit, demonstrating how good you are and then when I get an opening, I'll re-employ you?

Sounds good to me Mr CEO. I'd be happy to.

Fantastic.

Goes away and demonstrates emphatically how good at improving business he is

Hi ex-employee 576, I'm the new Sales Director. I'm the Sales Manager you were rude about. I'd like to have a meeting with you next week to discuss how we work with you.

Okay...

Monday meeting takes place

I'm sorry ex-employee 576, I just don't trust you, and as I don't trust you, we can't employ you in the role you did before. We wouldn't mind if you assisted the specialist sales team though.

But I've been working for your subsidiary for free and making them loads of money doing what I do best? What are you playing at?

As I said, I'm sorry, but I can't employ you for the next six months in the role you did before. You were nasty about me and I don't trust you.

You realise how much you've cost me?

As I said, I'm sorry, but I can't employ you for the next six months. You were nasty about me and I don't trust you.

Ah stuff you and your specialist sales team.

Ex-employee 576 walks away fuming

[Seniorplayer]

Not only Constructive dismissal and discrimination when I first read yesterday what was happening I thought  victimisation as well it's will probably all end in an out of court settlement.