Topic: KP - the maverick's return? (Read 43372 times)

Riddy · « **Reply #135 on:** May 13, 2015, 11:20:45 AM »

I will be cheering on NZ and Aus this summer.

ECB certainly know how to piss off the fans ( the same fans they hope will pay the ticket prices!!!).

ECB have let KP down for years due to poor man management. look at what Aussies are saying on twitter. or even Big Freddie (national hero) Flintoff. Not every player is a goody goody two shoes. The BEST players have an ego about them. You need to have that to get to the very top.

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #136 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:10:01 PM »

Quote from: RageofKlugman on May 13, 2015, 11:12:23 AM

Financially I don't really think KP has a huge right to complain. He made a mint out of his autobiography roundly slagging off pretty much everyone in the England set up, so if he's been left out of pocket for playing a few ultimately fruitless games for Surrey then it's swings and roundabouts. Think of it as karma.

You reckon �250k is nothing to someone on KP's wages? Don't forget that a shelf life of a sportsman is pretty short, his earning capacity is going to be in a very sharp decline very soon. I doubt there are any professional cricketers that wouldn't bat an eye lid at �250k disappearing from their yearly earnings. It is exceptionally poor form from the ECB in my opinion. He was made an offer which was verified with two further conversations with Graves, he followed the orders to the letter and then had it redacted without so much as an apology.

Again I reiterate that the whole sorry mess is KP's fault anyway and I don't think he should have been allowed back after the first time, but he was made an offer by a well respected Yorkshireman and it turns out he has been lied to, meanwhile the ECB peddle (No Swearing Please) about 'trust issues'. The whole organisation stinks from the top down. Look at the way Cook was dumped as ODI skipper in the media before he was told and look at how Moores was dumped in the media before he was told. It's utterly pathetic and we are rightfully a laughing stock of the whole cricketing world right now.

I had big hopes for Strauss and Graves as straight talking, no nonsense get us back to the right path by the shortest possible route type blokes. Instead it appears we have more of the same middle management types who appear hell bent on damaging and destroying the game.

RageofKlugman · « **Reply #137 on:** May 13, 2015, 01:18:28 PM »

Quote from: TangoWhiskey on May 13, 2015, 12:10:01 PM

You reckon �250k is nothing to someone on KP's wages? Don't forget that a shelf life of a sportsman is pretty short, his earning capacity is going to be in a very sharp decline very soon. I doubt there are any professional cricketers that wouldn't bat an eye lid at �250k disappearing from their yearly earnings. It is exceptionally poor form from the ECB in my opinion. He was made an offer which was verified with two further conversations with Graves, he followed the orders to the letter and then had it redacted without so much as an apology.

Again I reiterate that the whole sorry mess is KP's fault anyway and I don't think he should have been allowed back after the first time, but he was made an offer by a well respected Yorkshireman and it turns out he has been lied to, meanwhile the ECB peddle (No Swearing Please) about 'trust issues'. The whole organisation stinks from the top down. Look at the way Cook was dumped as ODI skipper in the media before he was told and look at how Moores was dumped in the media before he was told. It's utterly pathetic and we are rightfully a laughing stock of the whole cricketing world right now.

I had big hopes for Strauss and Graves as straight talking, no nonsense get us back to the right path by the shortest possible route type blokes. Instead it appears we have more of the same middle management types who appear hell bent on damaging and destroying the game.

We could conjecture all day about KP's finances and still not be any the wiser as to how much money he might or might not have. Personally, I can't picture him being that broke regardless of what the ECB does as he has years of lucrative IPL and media appearances in front of him.

Anyway, I certainly don't disagree that the handling of the affair by the ECB in general and Colin Graves in particular has been pretty farcical, I just have an issue with KP being endlessly portrayed as a poor helpless victim in the process.

CrickFreak · « **Reply #138 on:** May 13, 2015, 02:31:17 PM »

Some of you might have seen it but is funny - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNexLoG19rg&feature=youtu.be

Sam · « **Reply #139 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:01:27 PM »

Bit irrelevant overall but wasn't his IPL contact 200 lakh which would make it just under �200k?

iand123 · « **Reply #140 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:21:55 PM »

Quote from: Sam on May 13, 2015, 03:01:27 PM

Bit irrelevant overall but wasn't his IPL contact 200 lakh which would make it just under �200k?

Yep i thought i was around �200k. perhaps playing and being out there would lead to a few endorsments etc that would raise the money

joeljonno · « **Reply #141 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:36:31 PM »

Quote from: iand123 on May 13, 2015, 03:21:55 PM

Yep i thought i was around �200k. perhaps playing and being out there would lead to a few endorsments etc that would raise the money

Plus the fact he is flying out on Friday for the rest of the tournament so will get a %age of that.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #142 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:05:51 PM »

As I see it it KP was never wanted back in the test team he was led to believe if he played county cricket and scored runs the door back to the test side was open in the hope that he would say no to county cricket or if he played he would fail to score runs that way it could be said he had been given an opportunity but failed to take it.But because KP ceased his opportunity and scored runs.
They needed to change tactics before the call they knew would come to include him hence the lack of trust statement

Stuey · « **Reply #143 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:30:19 PM »

This trust thing is a load of rubbish, I suspect the real issue is cook. Strauss appears to be a pragmatist to me, I suspect Cook has refused to play with KP, so left Strauss to chose, hence Strauss asking KP to be involved in the ODI set up, where Cook will never play. If Strauss had based his decisions on personal feelings he wouldn't have asked KP to be involved at all. Cooks at the root of this imho.

ppccopener · « **Reply #144 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on May 13, 2015, 04:05:51 PM

As I see it it KP was never wanted back in the test team he was led to believe if he played county cricket and scored runs the door back to the test side was open in the hope that he would say no to county cricket or if he played he would fail to score runs that way it could be said he had been given an opportunity but failed to take it.But because KP ceased his opportunity and scored runs.
They needed to change tactics before the call they knew would come to include him hence the lack of trust statement

im sure you're right.It's been a game of bluff and double bluff and totally free of any morals on both sides.As with most things, if you don't sort it out and leave it, it festers into a much larger problem, people start telling lies(the ecb recently) and with todays media around every corner everything and every sentence gets magnified.Everyone has an opinion and it's 'good' media-for those in the media.

Don't know if anyone else has seen Gowers article today, not a hatchet job on Cook, but very much implied it's down to Cook that the issue is this big,and he should of been more proactive sorting it out.

He doesn't say it but looks like Gower's issue is not just telling KP, look your not playing in my side we are moving forward and that is that...

For those that remember this may mirror Gower's own exile from the England side under Gooch. Gower wouldn't change his attitude to training/nets,etc and it most certainly cost him 2 years of his career for England.
History repeating itself a bit maybe......except Gower never canned his team mates and any issues,and i'm sure there were back then,were sorted out in the dressing room.
Todays multi media may suit Kevin Pieterson who uses it well but it doesn't gel with a team dressing room-whether it's 1984 or 2004.
Just my opinion.....

ppccopener · « **Reply #145 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:32:05 PM »

Quote from: Stuey on May 13, 2015, 04:30:19 PM

This trust thing is a load of rubbish, I suspect the real issue is cook. Strauss appears to be a pragmatist to me, I suspect Cook has refused to play with KP, so left Strauss to chose, hence Strauss asking KP to be involved in the ODI set up, where Cook will never play. If Strauss had based his decisions on personal feelings he wouldn't have asked KP to be involved at all. Cooks at the root of this imho.

I think you are very right there.....the personality thing between Strauss and KP is a red herring the press have latched onto to and want to make a story of it

rich041187 · « **Reply #146 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:33:40 PM »

surrey are 170-1 off 13 overs - KP innings not looking so hot now haha

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #147 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:49:58 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on May 13, 2015, 04:30:37 PM

im sure you're right.It's been a game of bluff and double bluff and totally free of any morals on both sides.As with most things, if you don't sort it out and leave it, it festers into a much larger problem, people start telling lies(the ecb recently) and with todays media around every corner everything and every sentence gets magnified.Everyone has an opinion and it's 'good' media-for those in the media.

Don't know if anyone else has seen Gowers article today, not a hatchet job on Cook, but very much implied it's down to Cook that the issue is this big,and he should of been more proactive sorting it out.

He doesn't say it but looks like Gower's issue is not just telling KP, look your not playing in my side we are moving forward and that is that...

For those that remember this may mirror Gower's own exile from the England side under Gooch. Gower wouldn't change his attitude to training/nets,etc and it most certainly cost him 2 years of his career for England.
History repeating itself a bit maybe......except Gower never canned his team mates and any issues,and i'm sure there were back then,were sorted out in the dressing room.
Todays multi media may suit Kevin Pieterson who uses it well but it doesn't gel with a team dressing room-whether it's 1984 or 2004.
Just my opinion.....

Yes I remember Gowers exile well and the public outcry that followed it.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #148 on:** May 13, 2015, 09:27:45 PM »

Just heard that Kp is out of the ipl due to injury.

csnew · « **Reply #149 on:** May 13, 2015, 09:52:13 PM »

Some of the papers reporting cook threatened to quit if KP was picked. Either him or kp. Cook will probably be out of a job at the end of the summer anyway. Getting pretty tired of cook's threats and his comments after the World Cup and the recent West Indies tour.

Looks like graves has been gagged by the ecb and is probably at the ecb's Press training course.

This pretty much sums up the ecb (England's cowardly buffoons) well:

https://mobile.twitter.com/suttonnick/status/598604772481093632/photo/1

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