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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #270 on: May 26, 2015, 01:19:35 PM »

560+ runs in the last home Ashes series at 62 only two years ago.  In the 16 tests since then hes scored 750 at an average of 28.  Admittedly that includes the disastrous 5 test Ashes in Australia in which he averaged 26.

I'm going to sit on the wall and say hes worth his place until the end of the summer then reassess.  Plenty of potential middle order replacements but 110 tests before 34 is a lot of experience to lose in a young side.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #271 on: May 26, 2015, 08:17:00 PM »

Paul Farbrace has done a brilliant job too.

He was the one who put his foot down about the batting order and also about injecting some fun back into the team.

Skipper scoring runs also helps lessen any morose feelings around the team - so that 100 in the WIndies will also have contributed

Sorry but you cannot make a call like that after one game. Edges could have gone to hand, LBW's given instead of not (That were pretty damn close), catches taken on the boundary etc etc. No doubt England deserved to win in the end, but until this type of play becomes a trend you cannot start talking about a good/bad a coach is.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #272 on: May 26, 2015, 09:07:19 PM »

I am talking about the attitude of the players and how they played rather than the results.

New Zealand lost the game as much as Eng won it.

Watching England and how they played the game was such a change from the grim soulless cricket played over the last 3 years.

So that is enough for me to say he has done a great job.
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« Reply #273 on: May 26, 2015, 09:33:17 PM »

My point is, that you wouldn't be positive if Root and been given LBW first innings, Stokes edges gone to hand, Ali's drives in the air going to hand, Stokes caught on the boundary 2nd innings. NZ were the same, we had some chances that made a huge difference to the game.

If all those things had happened then you would still be bagging England and probably the coach.

The point is that you need to see a change over several matches to make this kind of call. I hope they do continue to play positive cricket.

England get rolled next game and look negative again, so what do people start saying? Sack the coach and get rid of that muppet Cook!
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #274 on: May 26, 2015, 09:38:40 PM »

I can't speculate on what didn't happen!

Seeing the English players trying to enjoy themselves was enough.
I still think KP should be playing ahead of bell and Cook doesn't have the gift of captaincy.

But a coach can't change that. He changed what he could and that is enough for me.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #275 on: May 26, 2015, 10:41:35 PM »

It's easy to look happy when you're winning...

I'm being pretty hypocritical, as an All Black fan we go through these stages of coach hating to coach loving. Graham Henry won the WC so we give him a Knighthood, If he'd lost he would've been discarded as an enemy of the state.

You win and the coach is praised as the breath of fresh air the team needed. Team loses and "When are the ECB going to learn that care taker coaches never work" Cricket fans are so fickle.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #276 on: May 26, 2015, 11:42:05 PM »

I can't speculate on what didn't happen!

Seeing the English players trying to enjoy themselves was enough.
I still think KP should be playing ahead of bell and Cook doesn't have the gift of captaincy.

But a coach can't change that. He changed what he could and that is enough for me.

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Apart from the obvious change he made in the batting order which worked well, he also changed the one thing he could change- their mentality. Seems as if he's told them to go out and enjoy themselves and play their natural game. The brand of cricket was much better.
Yes there were negatives and all sorts of things that could've happened- I for one believe root was out caught.
Yes cook is an average captain, yes balance has to look at his technique, yes bell should be looking over his shoulder and seeing a KP-like shadow.
The team isn't perfect and Bayliss coming in won't make it perfect straight away, but by playing the way they did you can see they are headed in the right direction and I for one am willing to take that after the months of rubbishness.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #277 on: May 26, 2015, 11:51:18 PM »

My point is, that you wouldn't be positive if Root and been given LBW first innings, Stokes edges gone to hand, Ali's drives in the air going to hand, Stokes caught on the boundary 2nd innings. NZ were the same, we had some chances that made a huge difference to the game.

If all those things had happened then you would still be bagging England and probably the coach.

The point is that you need to see a change over several matches to make this kind of call. I hope they do continue to play positive cricket.

England get rolled next game and look negative again, so what do people start saying? Sack the coach and get rid of that muppet Cook!

Not everybody mate not everybody.

I was just happy to keep our record of only 8 defeats in a 100 tests against New Zealand intact the fact we won and won in a manor of positive pro-active cricket is the Iceing on the cake and against one of the best bowlers and batters in the world.

Yes I like the caretaker coach you could tell it meant something to him and he has a nice manor about him too.

End of the day England can't lose a series against a side not many gave us a hope in hell even with our record against you guys.

You sound a bit like a United fan earlier this season because you had success of a kind at the World Cup and a few decent series you expect to turn up and blow us away and in truth it didn't happen. the lion roared back and I hope it continues win or lose play hard and play to win
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #278 on: May 27, 2015, 12:43:56 AM »

Not everybody mate not everybody.

I was just happy to keep our record of only 8 defeats in a 100 tests against New Zealand intact the fact we won and won in a manor of positive pro-active cricket is the Iceing on the cake and against one of the best bowlers and batters in the world.

Yes I like the caretaker coach you could tell it meant something to him and he has a nice manor about him too.

End of the day England can't lose a series against a side not many gave us a hope in hell even with our record against you guys.

You sound a bit like a United fan earlier this season because you had success of a kind at the World Cup and a few decent series you expect to turn up and blow us away and in truth it didn't happen. the lion roared back and I hope it continues win or lose play hard and play to win

Hypocritical much? I remember the talk before the last Ashes series when England had won few series'. Unbeatable I seem to remember.

I'm not having a go at England. I'm just stating that after one game it would be foolish to think you have found the magic potion.

I'm quietly hoping England now get even worse than they were only a couple of weeks ago  :D. You guys jump on and off the band wagon like its a fashion statement.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #279 on: May 27, 2015, 05:39:03 AM »

We all support our side. All you see in the postings on here are the frustrations and jubilations of seeing the team play like donkeys in one test and champions the next. And after 18 months or flaccid, dull cricket, seeing England play an exciting brand was brilliant.


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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #280 on: May 29, 2015, 12:49:12 PM »

Well this ruddy weather.

Good start for England all be it 2.1 overs
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #281 on: May 29, 2015, 12:53:04 PM »

Williamson goes for a duck. NZ could be knocked over cheaply here
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #282 on: May 29, 2015, 12:53:40 PM »

Someone send mccullum out to smack this swinging ball out of shape  ???
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #283 on: May 29, 2015, 01:11:55 PM »

Broad looks ridiculous when he 'appeals', running away from the umpire with his finger in the air. Rod Tucker is a much better third umpire from a spectators view than Erasmus, gives a much better insight I think.
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Re: England vs New Zealand test series.
« Reply #284 on: May 29, 2015, 01:20:17 PM »

Broad looks ridiculous when he 'appeals', running away from the umpire with his finger in the air.

I hate this, it's bloomin disrespectful, running off assuming it's out. They should give it not out just on principal!

But then again i hate everything he does.
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