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[langer17]

Just something I've thought about putting up for a while, so thought why not.

When we get a new bat and find it to be heavier than what we want, instantly we get gremlins in our minds that tell us 'It's too heavy'. As many have said, dead weight isn't always the best to go by (unless it's a 3lb behemoth) and it's more the pick-up and balance we should focus on. See below (Affinity is blue grip and Talisman is yellow)









I put the handles and toes of the bat on the same spot on the scales so it has the same amount of handle/wood on the scale when weighing the two bats.

The Affinity weighs in at 2lb 11.3oz's and the Talisman weighs in at 2lb 9.3oz's. Now I used to think, oh no, this is the end, I will never be able to use the Affinity, but the weight is deceptive: Affinity top half comes in at 1.8oz's heavier than the Talisman. Now we flip it and see that the bottom half has the Affinity 1.3oz's heavier than the Talisman. As you can see the grip styles are different, but they actually weigh a similar amount, so the point still stands.

Now this isn't super scientific but it does show that even though a bat might be 2oz heavier total, that doesn't mean the 2oz's is in the blade. In this case, it would look more like 1oz in the handle and 1 oz in the blade, so it probably evens itself out and the Affinity feels like a 2lb 10oz bat (maybe even a heavier 2lb 9oz)

Just something I hadn't seen posted before so thought I'd give it a run.

[InternalTraining]

Heavy bats with high middles pick up light. M&H Amplus for instance.

[langer17]

Yeah, that too.

A 2lb12 bat with a high middle will probably feel lighter than a 2lb10 with a low middle

[JB]

I've got a 2.14 Amplus, one of the first team batters needed to borrow a bat on saturday and I offered it to him. He picked it up from the handle and immediately said (based on deadweight) that it was too heavy. Once he picked it up properly it was a different story, he took it out to bat and scored a few runs. He'll be no doubt wanting to borrow it this sat as well.

[Number4]

A good way to see how a bat might pick up is to find its balance point and measure it. I did this to 3 bats just recently and they are all about the same measurement. My friend bought a bat which I posted on here recently which was bottom heavy/low middle and the balance point is about 3cm different

My bat was 368mm from the toe and 483mm from the handle and my mates was 340mm from the toe and 510mm from the handle

[uknsaunders]

Sure it helps, heavy handles, high middle etc ,but you are still lifting a heavier bat. Eventually you will feel the difference but it just depends on how long that takes to be an issue and whether it matters. If you bat 7 or 8 and on average bat for 30-45mins in a game then maybe not, if you spend literally hours at the crease than maybe dead weight is an issue.

[trypewriter]

Sure it helps, heavy handles, high middle etc ,but you are still lifting a heavier bat. Eventually you will feel the difference but it just depends on how long that takes to be an issue and whether it matters. If you bat 7 or 8 and on average bat for 30-45mins in a game then maybe not, if you spend literally hours at the crease than maybe dead weight is an issue.

Spot on, and if you have a dominant bottom hand (like I do) then it all tends to be about dead weight rather than pick up - even if your stays at the crease are extremely brief.

[Six Sixes Cricket]

Have you tried this with 2 bats that weigh the same? Also In your kit pic the talisman has a black grip, and the Helios has a yellow grip.

[uknsaunders]

Have you tried this with 2 bats that weigh the same? Also In your kit pic the talisman has a black grip, and the Helios has a yellow grip.

Scale v Hybrid Grip - I suspect the Hybrid Grip is heavier.

[langer17]

Have you tried this with 2 bats that weigh the same? Also In your kit pic the talisman has a black grip, and the Helios has a yellow grip.

I changed the grip on the Talisman since then to a yellow one too. I've done it before yes, and had a similar result (was closer to 1.2oz's heavier in the handle but very similar int he blade)

[armie]

A well placed center is the key for a good bat especially in heavier weights. Also depends upon how big the batsman is and what kind of weight he can carry with ease. The weight of the handle with added grips can also make the bat feel light.

[calcurtis98]

A good way to see how a bat might pick up is to find its balance point and measure it. I did this to 3 bats just recently and they are all about the same measurement. My friend bought a bat which I posted on here recently which was bottom heavy/low middle and the balance point is about 3cm different

My bat was 368mm from the toe and 483mm from the handle and my mates was 340mm from the toe and 510mm from the handle

How did you work this out?

[TangoWhiskey]

Presumably by balancing it on something and measuring the centre from where it stays.

[InternalTraining]

Sure it helps, heavy handles, high middle etc ,but you are still lifting a heavier bat. Eventually you will feel the difference but it just depends on how long that takes to be an issue and whether it matters. If you bat 7 or 8 and on average bat for 30-45mins in a game then maybe not, if you spend literally hours at the crease than maybe dead weight is an issue.

That is a fair point but you can also extend this argument to pads since lot of batters use heavier pads.

How a bat weight's affects a batter varies from individual to individual based on my experience. I know people who use bottom heavy bats and they feel heavier than my 2-12/2-13 bat. Your arms muscles are still making a lot of micro adjustments to carry that bottom heavy (dead weight) light bat and that also leads to muscle fatigue and exhaustion. I feel that bottom heavy light (dead ) weight bats are deceptively difficult to use in long innings than a heavy (dead) weight high middle bat.

[tim2000s]

This rapidly becomes very contentious and people disagree about a lot of things. Have a look at this topic from a couple of years ago.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29018.msg457055#msg457055