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[brokenbat]

I bowl offies and generally get good turn and bounce. But I do struggle to bowl fast enough - batsmen can sometimes wait on the back foot, and smash good length balls. Don't want to start "darting" the ball in - would like to maintain the same loop and dip, but get it to be quicker. Any ideas on how I can do this most effectively?

[uknsaunders]

From what I have picked up about spin in my short time bowling it, everyone has a slightly different "operating pace". The really good spinners can vary it without the fundamentals changing. I think it's a bit of trial and error. Maybe add a little more speed to your run up or concentrate on bringing your arm/shoulder through a bit quicker. If you feel you are getting a bit flatter, one tip I got was to throw your leading arm up higher to help  get more air on the ball.

[Centurion]

I think the best way to increase speed while keeping flight would be to bowl quicker and try to bowl fuller and if you get enough revs the ball will dip and not end up a quick full toss


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[horseman]

Excellent topic. Im trying to bowl off spin having previously bowled seam up before my knees gave up.
I struggle with the pace too, possibly due to lack of run up.
I also feel more comfortable bowling a cutter or an away swinger.

I hope practice will make it feel more comfortable.

[Pelican042]

Pull up, and try and whip your back leg through a bit more, like a "closing the gate" stretch, that should provide a bit more pace without having to alter your spinning arm

[potzy248]

The speed that your bring your front arm down directly affects the speed your other arm rotates. With this in mind it will take practice to make sure your release is optimal. It is a hard thing to do, bowling fast enough without bowling darts, it takes practice.

[WalkingWicket37]

Totally mad one but try it!

As your front arm comes down grab hold of your pocket.
Complete the rest of your action as normal.

[rahul_1987]

I usually bowl quick off spins (pitch permitting) with my wrists kind of bowling top spin but these are harder to control. I think you can use your wrists slightly more to generate some extra speed without changing much of your action

[brokenbat]

Totally mad one but try it!

As your front arm comes down grab hold of your pocket.
Complete the rest of your action as normal.

Yea this is apparently what kumar dharma sena advised moeen ali to do. I do this when I start bowling full tosses. But need to work on all the other points to get more speed without sacrificing the flight and dip.

Thanks for all the replies guys (keep EM coming!) 

[Hoover]

http://youtu.be/0kH_QwWtF7U

This bloke goes alright. You may be able to glean something that will help from his masterclass.

[trypewriter]

I bowl offies and generally get good turn and bounce. But I do struggle to bowl fast enough - batsmen can sometimes wait on the back foot, and smash good length balls. Don't want to start "darting" the ball in - would like to maintain the same loop and dip, but get it to be quicker. Any ideas on how I can do this most effectively?

Taking the positive out of it - every one of these is a shot closer to an indiscretion!

[brokenbat]

On a whim, I tried something strange the other day in the nets - bowled a few hard spun LEGGIES (none of which landed properly, but that wasn't the point) and then switched back to my regular off-spin. Noticed a slightly quicker delivery, with a bit more drift and dip. I think, that while bowling leg-spin, shoulder rotation (for me at least) becomes a bit more "natural", and so this was a good way to re-learn the correct speed with which the right shoulder needs to come around and replace the left shoulder. It worked nicely in the nets, and in a game, I "warmed up" by bowling leggies to a fellow fielder - definitely felt better.

[gerhard303]

A couple of things worth experimenting with that work for me from time to time.. 1) Try slightly different release points. For example, if you're releasing from 2 o'clock, try 1 o'clock or 3 o'clock. I find the rounder my arm comes through, the flatter the delivery. 2) Another thing I experiment with is how strongly I bring my back leg through. Try it in the nets. A combination of these two points could help with subtle changes of pace.
For what it's worth, I don't mind giving the ball lots of flight. Let the batsman get his confidence coming down the wicket a couple of times. Then give it more air and drop it fractionally shorter and wider on the third or fourth one. I find that sometimes brings rewards.

[Parkman]

The advice Pelican gives also works for me. I was shown to bring your back leg up & over in your delivery stride, almost like you're stepping over something. Combine that with a pivot on your front foot & you should find you bowl it a bit quicker but without losing your flight & dip.

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[ItsJustCricket]

I think I've been lucky in working with some very, very good spin coaches, and there are a few fundamentals that they work on. At the point of delivery, your back leg will be crucial. The best bit of advice I was given regarding this is to imagine your back leg is stepping over a low brick wall - this will ensure that you get the height at the point of delivery, and also convert the run up (which often is completely useless), directly into revs on the ball.

The other thing, is to make sure you pivot after releasing the ball. Most amateur spinners just bowl and stay front on, whereas if you bowl the ball and then pivot around your front leg you will end up getting into a better position to field off your own bowling, but also you will put a lot more "action" on the ball.

And of course, the front arm is essential too.

Generally, the pace and dip and drift comes from the "action" on the ball, and this is generated in the run up from the front leg, and also the pivot after you've released the ball. That's what's worked for me in the past! Hope it helps!