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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #165 on: December 06, 2015, 08:53:45 AM »

How can you say it's not the players techniques or the players?? It most certainly is the players inability to not just attack recklessly like odi's and unable to rely on technique to see them through and just milk runs.

Poor poor cricket from SA, they are a pale poor shadow of the team with steyn in his pomp, Kallis, smith, ab and amla

In ODI series - Faf, ABD, Amla, De-Kock played well and scored a lot of runs. That's why i am unable to doubt their technique. Inability is something i would relate to temperament in this case. Being patient and waiting for runs is something they haven't done well in the test series. However i do see how you are relating their inability to failure in technique. Point understood ...

I am going to say SA is wading through uncharted territory now. They haven't lost an away series in 9 years ! When the team was pushed into a corner, captain/vice-cap/team management failed to react properly. Some changes would have helped SA ...

1. Amla should have resorted to opening the innings with Dean in this test series. Amla has the patience to wait for runs and from the 2nd innings of 3rd test match it was quite evident. As long as Amla was there, Faf played a decent innings but once he got out Faf went out playing a wacky shot, ball did keep low but a simple forward defence would have done the trick.
2. ABD has been batting decently but he seems to the lone wolf in the team who is able to carry on immaterial of others performance. He should have been asked go-in at one down. He would have received more support and spent a little more time in the crease. He certainly would have scored more runs than what he did right now.
3. Faf Du Plessis - This is the guy who is seriously stuck in the T20 mode. May be its because he is playing in familiar IPL conditions and his mind switches to the T20 mode or something. Faf doesn't come out as a convincing player who can lead the team with a big innings. He can always play a big innings under the shadow of someone else but can he be a game changer in tests - this begs another discussion !
4. Spin bowlers - Amla is reluctant to toss the ball to Imran Tahir. The so called spinning sensation hasn't really delivered anything at all in this series. Piedt seems to be a good option. Wonder why SA management didn't include Piedt in the first test match itself ! Why did they wait to include him in a match which has minimal relevance.
5. Duminy - Spinning all rounder. Get over it and define a specific role for him in the team. He is not an effective spin option. He is a good middle order batsman who can bowl a few overs here and there. JP should be used to fill up the overs in-between when strike bowlers are resting. Better to realize this and make necessary changes.

Just watched a session of Tambe & Amla batting with discipline. Now this i like it but the run rate is pretty pathetic. Amla has made defence look very easy. Just too little too late ...

Total score : 40/1 in 39 overs.
Tea - Day 4   Current time 14:20 local, 08:50 GMT   Test Career
Batsmen                    R     B   
Temba Bavuma (rhb)   30   104   
Hashim Amla (rhb)    6   113   
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #166 on: December 06, 2015, 08:58:36 AM »

Dare to say it but watching the match SA's bowling looks pretty toothless.
Don't rate their two spinners at all.

SA bowling only attacks when Morkel or Abbott is bowling. Tahir is their primary problem. He is part of the playing eleven as a specialist bowler but captain is reluctant to give the ball to him. Tahir comes in when one of their fast bowler is rested and bowls a couple of juicy full tosses which are dispatched to the boundary ropes. The 4 consecutive maiden overs from Morkel/Abbott goes down the drain ... Even the new spinner Piedt is bowling better than him. He was overused the first innings and towards the end of day one he was getting tired. Indian batsman made good use of it and whacked him for major runs. But still a better option since he was able to take 4 wickets compared to Tahir's zero.
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #167 on: December 06, 2015, 08:59:50 AM »

Is @ProCricketer1982 watching this????


Amla is on 6, from 113 balls. A strike rate of 5.3......

Amla is making defence look very easy. He should have done this in the previous test matches also. Waiting to come in at no 4 or 5 is what hurt them. SA probably needed Amla to show them the temperament to play test matches ... Lets see how long he holds on to this ...
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #168 on: December 06, 2015, 09:06:58 AM »


3. Faf Du Plessis - This is the guy who is seriously stuck in the T20 mode. May be its because he is playing in familiar IPL conditions and his mind switches to the T20 mode or something. Faf doesn't come out as a convincing player who can lead the team with a big innings. He can always play a big innings under the shadow of someone else but can he be a game changer in tests - this begs another discussion !


I wouldn't count him out yet, I'll never forget his 8 hour innings to battle out a draw in Adelaide on a spinning deck in 2012, 110* from 376 balls. He has looked very out of sorts though during this series, and it really weakens the batting lineup when he's not firing.
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #169 on: December 06, 2015, 09:12:27 AM »

I wouldn't count him out yet, I'll never forget his 8 hour innings to battle out a draw in Adelaide on a spinning deck in 2012, 110* from 376 balls. He has looked very out of sorts though during this series, and it really weakens the batting lineup when he's not firing.

Agreed .. May be we can't discard him completely but his degradation from scoring a century in the last ODI match to continuously getting bowled over in test matches is astonishing !
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #170 on: December 06, 2015, 09:44:28 AM »

Elgar has been poor this season and his wicket said it all.

Playing defence to a spinner and he just flung the bat at it and ended up one handed in his follow through.


Surely de kock can do a better job than the openers there tried here?

Although personally I'd put Amla back up top wth bavuma, who looks to have something about him, albeit on a pitch that is so Alain to him he probably not sure what's going on.
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #171 on: December 06, 2015, 09:52:27 AM »

Did I just seen that jadeja bowled 17 overs for 9 runs! Blimey that's decent bowling.
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #172 on: December 06, 2015, 09:54:34 AM »

Dunno about anyone else I'm really enjoying this stonewalling from amla
Why make it easy for India playing one day shots?
Test cricket is supposed to be like this
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #173 on: December 06, 2015, 09:54:59 AM »

And I thought England get bogged down. Amla 11 off 129 and ABD 0 from 29 at time of writing...
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #174 on: December 06, 2015, 09:59:31 AM »

Dhawan giving his best impression of murali's action. Must be 25+ degrees
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #175 on: December 06, 2015, 10:07:17 AM »

Sack ashwin and jadeja. This is the Indian dream.


Dhawan and vijay spin king partnership!
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #176 on: December 06, 2015, 11:07:04 AM »

Now this is good cricket, bowlers can't just bowl pies and batsmen gift wickets away.. game on!!!
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #177 on: December 06, 2015, 11:08:25 AM »

Dunno about anyone else I'm really enjoying this stonewalling from amla
Why make it easy for India playing one day shots?
Test cricket is supposed to be like this

exactly, this is what test cricket is about!!

If you want to score at 4+ an over great but the other team should just block it out and you'd never win with the current crop of bowlers around. It looks like AB and Amla have finally realised that these bowlers aren't actually that good
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #178 on: December 06, 2015, 11:14:41 AM »

So it only took South Africa the 4th innings of the 4th test to actually apply themselves
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Re: India v South Africa series
« Reply #179 on: December 06, 2015, 11:40:54 AM »

72 runs in 72 overs .. This must be some kind of record !


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