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« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2015, 11:49:58 PM »

Quite a sweeping statement.....

Other shops handpick bats too remember, maybe not 100% of their stock but hat doesn't mean IJC is the only one shop who handpicks as this statement implies

For me the hand picking gives confidence to a retailer what they sell to their customers. I remember in my playing days, i used to buy bats from Late John Fordham and if i am not mistaken he was the first one who used to visit most of the suppliers to hand pick bats. When we started in 2005, i followed John and  started hand picking our stock.  I believe you have to have a good knowledge of what you are looking for when selecting a bat and for that reason,  method of handing picking will be different across retailers.
I believe quite a few retailers on this forum  hand pick their stock but it is quite difficult to say that one's hand picking is better than the other and as i said above, it will probably depend on knowledge and experience of the person who is hand picking.

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« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2015, 12:03:47 AM »

I'm a bit surprised you don't get more resistance from manufacturers, you're essentially saying you take the pick of their stock and other retailers get left overs that could be inferior. I would have thought more would take GM's stance of having faith in all their products.

GM is a pretty big manufacturer and they can afford to take a stance. However smaller bat makers (when compared with GM) like H4L and various other forum sponsors will need to provide more incentives for retailers to stock their bat. One of the incentive is to allow hand-picking the bat which in my opinion is also a good will gesture from the manufacturer.

Lets say IJC hand picks 10 bats from H4L. They are essentially picking from what H4L has in stock at that time. About 15 days later Vitas walks in and they could probably end up looking at a completely new H4L stock and pick whats best out of that. All i am trying to say is that retailers are picking bats from a relatively smaller sample size and the current availability at the manufacturer's distribution center or warehouse. It doesn't mean they have taken the top pingers and left the inferior one for others.
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« Reply #122 on: October 22, 2015, 12:24:26 AM »

How can buying a hand picked bat possibly have any negatives. I have never bought a bat without mallet or ball testing and hence this is the reason I buy from IJC. We can't get some of the brands here in oz so I have to rely either on a standard retailer sending me there untested stock or IJC, either way there still is a trust issue but the fact that IJC put themselves out there to be scrutinised by being on you tube, forums, twitter etc. makes me trust them more. I have also bought bats from UZI for that very reason also but another reason I bought bats from UZI which IJC could possibly learhn from is the fact that the bat they picture is the bat ill receive. No deception.
I would like to thank both UZI and IJC for providing brilliant, honest products and service. Ill be back for more
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« Reply #123 on: October 22, 2015, 12:38:29 PM »

I know IJC has taken some heat on this thread, which surprises me, but also some good questions were asked. To me IJC, and Vitas & Uzi, are already doing a lot more for their customers than most other retailers out there.

New bats are made in the thousands every day, to be somewhere to pick on one or two days out of the year doesn't mean rest of the bats are crap. As for hand picking technique, I look for a few things in bats that I own/want but cnosidering the number of bats I have owned in my life is probably still less that what you guys, retailers, see in a day there is are better odds of you knowing what to pick and what not to pick compared to me. Now retailer 1 might be somehow better at looking for a few things than retailer 2 but both should, logically, be better than a regular customer at picking a decent bat if not a great bat.
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« Reply #124 on: October 22, 2015, 01:02:54 PM »

Lanza32 I think you will find most sponsors on here will send you a bat that will meet with your approval and if they have provided you with a photo before hand then that is the bat you will get. As B&S only supply one retailer my arrangement with them is that they take a cross section of my stock not just the best that's just the way it is
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« Reply #125 on: October 22, 2015, 02:14:16 PM »

But B&S, you've just admitted that you give your retailer some inferior stock (a cross-section), and that customers can go direct to you to hand-pick one (through photos, specs etc etc), so why would a customer go to the retailer? Whereas, we can guarantee to get the best available product from the manufacturer, so where is the downside?

That brings me on to perhaps the most important question. I'm still failing to see why IJC has taken the heat on this post, for trying to be honest about the state of the cricket industry. There is one question which no one has actually answered.

What are the negatives of IJC taking time and care to hand pick the best possible bats for our customers? How in any way can this be a bad thing for the customer?

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« Reply #126 on: October 22, 2015, 02:26:04 PM »

But B&S, you've just admitted that you give your retailer some inferior stock (a cross-section), and that customers can go direct to you to hand-pick one (through photos, specs etc etc), so why would a customer go to the retailer? Whereas, we can guarantee to get the best available product from the manufacturer, so where is the downside?

That brings me on to perhaps the most important question. I'm still failing to see why IJC has taken the heat on this post, for trying to be honest about the state of the cricket industry. There is one question which no one has actually answered.

What are the negatives of IJC taking time and care to hand pick the best possible bats for our customers? How in any way can this be a bad thing for the customer?

Prices could go up to even more insane levels if makers are left constantly with a load of duff bats they can't shift
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« Reply #127 on: October 22, 2015, 02:30:15 PM »

There is no negative at all really for the consumer, unless their tastes differ significantly from IJC's or if IJC's knowledge isn't up to speed and they're actually hand-picking bad bats (I don't believe this to be the case at all!)

As a manufacturer, I wouldn't encourage hand-picking. I'd say there's a cross-section and no retailer deserves favourable treatment. JSW do the same for manufacturers. But as a retailer, I can understand why you deem it important and wish to do it and it creates trust from the customer, and a belief in the products you're selling.
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« Reply #128 on: October 22, 2015, 02:43:15 PM »

How certain is it that the maker puts out their best stock for the hand picking process?

If the retailor handpicking from a batch or from what is there they are handpicking the best of what is there not potentially the best of their stock

just a thought unless you have an agreement where all the shop is open for you to hunt through or there is plenty of stock to choose from on the day the retailor visits
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« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2015, 02:44:06 PM »

The above raises the point as to why all shops down handpick, but then they don't all have the same business models.
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« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2015, 02:44:10 PM »

or as a manufacturer you make the best possible product (as most stve to do anyway) and let that eb the end of it?
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #131 on: October 22, 2015, 02:52:00 PM »

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

When I was younger and used to pick out bats at Fearnley/Boundary Sports for my own use, I knew exactly what I was looking for - but everyone's desires are different. Personally I always looked for 7/8 grains with a touch of heartwood on the outside edge - what if the retailer handpicking the bats doesn't like heartwood? Or if said retailer would prefer to pick more grains over less?

Hand-picking is only ever subjective to the thoughts of the retailer - I'm not by any means saying that IJC/Vitas/UZI do a bad job (I'm certain they don't in fact!), but it may not be perfect for my own needs. If I had my heart set on a particular bat from one of the smaller brands, then I'd probably just contact the maker directly in the first place and get exactly the bat I wanted

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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #132 on: October 22, 2015, 03:02:34 PM »

"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

When I was younger and used to pick out bats at Fearnley/Boundary Sports for my own use, I knew exactly what I was looking for - but everyone's desires are different. Personally I always looked for 7/8 grains with a touch of heartwood on the outside edge - what if the retailer handpicking the bats doesn't like heartwood? Or if said retailer would prefer to pick more grains over less?

Hand-picking is only ever subjective to the thoughts of the retailer - I'm not by any means saying that IJC/Vitas/UZI do a bad job (I'm certain they don't in fact!), but it may not be perfect for my own needs. If I had my heart set on a particular bat from one of the smaller brands, then I'd probably just contact the maker directly in the first place and get exactly the bat I wanted

This is why we (and the other forum shops) always ask for pre-orders. That way we can pick out things that customers like (in terms of looks at least as pickup/performance are of course very subjective but i like to think we do our best) from the entire selection at the supplier in question.

But B&S, you've just admitted that you give your retailer some inferior stock (a cross-section), and that customers can go direct to you to hand-pick one (through photos, specs etc etc), so why would a customer go to the retailer? Whereas, we can guarantee to get the best available product from the manufacturer, so where is the downside?

That brings me on to perhaps the most important question. I'm still failing to see why IJC has taken the heat on this post, for trying to be honest about the state of the cricket industry. There is one question which no one has actually answered.

What are the negatives of IJC taking time and care to hand pick the best possible bats for our customers? How in any way can this be a bad thing for the customer?

I don't see a negative for the customer. But considering you have spoken about openness, fairness, ethics etc. Taking all the best bats off say Phantom Cricket for example isn't terribly fair on them. Everyone knows TK doesn't allow brands to buy for example just 10 2'8 grade 1s. You have to take a cross section of quality, grades and weights. Where do all the not so good Phantom bats go? This is partially the reasoning behind Kookaburras decision to prevent handpicking of their lower grades I would suggest. Stops shops from saying 'look how good our £100 kookaburras are, much better than the planks from retailer x'

We are more than happy to sell the entire B&S range, not just the handful of big, light, max grainers in every batch. This is something that is fair for both parties, and offers the customer a choice. In this very specific example we've had plenty of huge Afrikaner blokes walk into the shop asking for heavy B&S bats, normally we try to hold a pretty limited number of bats heavier than 2'12, if we weren't required by Gary to stock them, we probably wouldn't be making those sales to the big guys!

My only gripe from this topic is the (admittedly fairly subtle) suggestion that IJC is the only place to get a handpicked bat, or that perhaps IJCs handpicking is better thanks to a 'ping guarantee.'
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #133 on: October 22, 2015, 03:14:03 PM »

This is why we (and the other forum shops) always ask for pre-orders. That way we can pick out things that customers like (in terms of looks at least as pickup/performance are of course very subjective but i like to think we do our best) from the entire selection at the supplier in question.

Fully agree with you on that mate, don't take it the wrong way - it was more aimed at other companies that aren't so engaged with the customers!! You guys do a top job.
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« Reply #134 on: October 22, 2015, 03:32:44 PM »

Where is all the negativity that's being mentioned? There's been a lot of discussion of the pros and cons, but I don't think I've seen anyone straight up taking shots at handpicking. The discussion's been one of the more interesting threads of late too, and largely positive.
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