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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2015, 07:26:46 PM »

Did I read the article/blog wrong or are other not reading it correctly? What I got from the post was that IJC don't stock brands that are not honest with them (IJC) about where the bat comes from. GN was a good example used where GN are open abt their bats (majority) not being made in the UK.

I have not purchased some of the other brands mentioned here so don't know what their claims are.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2015, 07:35:21 PM »

At the end of the day it's up to the Consumer to decide wether he wants to know where and who his bat  is made by .As its your choice Paul to only sell Bats that are made by the actual bat maker himself and not by someone who out sources his bats and stickers them up. Is this any different too soft Manufactures all B&S Softs are made in India and we have our logo branded all over them selling them as Bellingham and Smith pads and gloves but we don't make them ?

most consumers dont realize that a bat is not always  made by who it seems they are also have no idea how the cricket industry works which means they would  never decide  or ask the question
 who made the bat they see a bat with sticker and just except that that's the bat maker.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2015, 07:57:50 PM »

Did I read the article/blog wrong or are other not reading it correctly? What I got from the post was that IJC don't stock brands that are not honest with them (IJC) about where the bat comes from. GN was a good example used where GN are open abt their bats (majority) not being made in the UK.

I have not purchased some of the other brands mentioned here so don't know what their claims are.
"We also try to only stock the genuine brands and have a personal connection with the bat makers" So what about sf, ca, slazenger, kookaburra, Spartan, new balance, Piri Piri, Mars, phantom, Cp.

Or am I missing something?

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2015, 08:00:36 PM »

Who cares who made it as long as it plays well. I have used bats wich I knew who made them and also from other big brands and have no reason to say I wont go back to the big brand.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2015, 08:39:30 PM »

"We also try to only stock the genuine brands and have a personal connection with the bat makers" So what about sf, ca, slazenger, kookaburra, Spartan, new balance, Piri Piri, Mars, phantom, Cp.

Or am I missing something?

PiriPiri, Mars, Spartan and CP are all being dropped for next season. And likely Slazenger - for that exact reason! Phantom are open about not making their own bats - just the same as say GN! However, they still offer better prices than many out there, and continue to churn out an excellent product, with outstanding branding - which sell very well, to very happy customers! As for the others, we let customers know that NB etc make their bats in India, we are not opaque with our clients, quite the opposite!

 All we are saying is that IJC is a different brand to many other cricket retailers. We are open with the customer, and don't just want your money! We want the best product, aftercare, and experience, right from willow growing up to scoring the first runs with the bat. And that is why we do what we do - we love it, and want our consumers to experience that passion, a key reason that Paul writes these blogs.

We have taken a stand and backed our words with actions. IJC is not just a shop - it is a philosophy about how we do things. That's why we dropped certain brands (those in the know will know) who misled customers about the provenance of their bat, that's why when you enquire about a bat we will often suggest one cheaper than your budget, that's why we do the videos, that's why we do the blogs, why we do the handpicking, why I've been at the shop until 2am many times, and slept on the floor more than once before! We have a true love for our business, and that's the philosophy that drives everything we do!

Chris

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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2015, 08:50:35 PM »

Are there any brands you woodstock still if they had been more honest?
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2015, 08:56:22 PM »

Possible we woodstock other brands if they were more honest yes :-)

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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2015, 09:23:43 PM »

Any new brands coming in to replace the ones going out?
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2015, 09:27:11 PM »

A welcome return to the range by Salix and HitsHard, and possibly another English brand who make their own bats. Again, proving that we live by this philosophy!

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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2015, 09:27:51 PM »

PiriPiri, Mars, Spartan and CP are all being dropped for next season. And likely Slazenger - for that exact reason! Phantom are open about not making their own bats - just the same as say GN! However, they still offer better prices than many out there, and continue to churn out an excellent product, with outstanding branding - which sell very well, to very happy customers! As for the others, we let customers know that NB etc make their bats in India, we are not opaque with our clients, quite the opposite!

 All we are saying is that IJC is a different brand to many other cricket retailers. We are open with the customer, and don't just want your money! We want the best product, aftercare, and experience, right from willow growing up to scoring the first runs with the bat. And that is why we do what we do - we love it, and want our consumers to experience that passion, a key reason that Paul writes these blogs.

We have taken a stand and backed our words with actions. IJC is not just a shop - it is a philosophy about how we do things. That's why we dropped certain brands (those in the know will know) who misled customers about the provenance of their bat, that's why when you enquire about a bat we will often suggest one cheaper than your budget, that's why we do the videos, that's why we do the blogs, why we do the handpicking, why I've been at the shop until 2am many times, and slept on the floor more than once before! We have a true love for our business, and that's the philosophy that drives everything we do!

Chris
Well said Chris  IJC open honest policy and the refusal to sell brands which misled customers is refreshing and the  right way to go.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2015, 09:54:43 PM »

Ooooh! Get Hits Hard back in, they are very sexy and the softs (knuckles apart) are pretty much the best ones I've ever used!
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2015, 02:41:47 AM »

call me a tubelight but had to read the blog twice to actually understand what you're trying to say here..
kudo's to you & do understand what you're trying to convey the message across...

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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2015, 04:18:28 AM »

PiriPiri, Mars, Spartan and CP are all being dropped for next season. And likely Slazenger - for that exact reason! Phantom are open about not making their own bats - just the same as say GN! However, they still offer better prices than many out there, and continue to churn out an excellent product, with outstanding branding - which sell very well, to very happy customers! As for the others, we let customers know that NB etc make their bats in India, we are not opaque with our clients, quite the opposite!

 All we are saying is that IJC is a different brand to many other cricket retailers. We are open with the customer, and don't just want your money! We want the best product, aftercare, and experience, right from willow growing up to scoring the first runs with the bat. And that is why we do what we do - we love it, and want our consumers to experience that passion, a key reason that Paul writes these blogs.

We have taken a stand and backed our words with actions. IJC is not just a shop - it is a philosophy about how we do things. That's why we dropped certain brands (those in the know will know) who misled customers about the provenance of their bat, that's why when you enquire about a bat we will often suggest one cheaper than your budget, that's why we do the videos, that's why we do the blogs, why we do the handpicking, why I've been at the shop until 2am many times, and slept on the floor more than once before! We have a true love for our business, and that's the philosophy that drives everything we do!

Chris

Paul, Chris,

Interesting read and i think you raise a number of good points.

Cutting this a slightly different way, here in Australia the bat market is limited to the big brands (GN, Kooka etc) with the bulk of their bats being Indian made (GN have a range made by Stuart Kranzbuhler). There are a few local guys, but its very difficult for these guys to do enough business to specialise full time.

Manufacturing and retailing
I liked your reference to white labelling. You'll find there aren't may 'sales/retail' companies that do their own manufacturing. Companies are generally manufacturers, or wholesalers or retailers. Not all of them. Structuring their operations this way allows them to specialise, keeping costs downs. Yet, when it comes to cricket bats, we expect a beginning to end process.

In reality, your Nike Free Runs that are 'made in Vietnam' aren't made in a factory owned by Nike by Nike employees. Nike raise a tender to which a company responds and fills the order.
This is essentially how many cricket bats come to existence. GN have their order for x thousand mid quality bats and a company in india fill the order.

Perception of what your buying
If you go to see a heart surgeon, paying top dollar for him personally to do you by-pass, would you be pi$$ off if he passes it off to his registrar? Dam right you would.
Your by-pass may work/go just as well, but you've paid for 30+ years of experience and only got the 10+ years job.

Point of difference
IJC market themselves as a unique cricketing business. They don't sell cr@p sticks just to make a buck. They are cricket tragic's who care just as much about the game as what they do about their bottom line.
They want to genuinely know the producers of their products to be able to be very honest with their customers.
I work in business consulting and contract management. If a supplier lies to me, I kick their a$$ to the kerb.

My 2 cents worth
My personal view here is what Paul's original post came back to was honesty.
If you're bats aren't "Made in the UK" don't be a f*$&ing cheat and market them this way.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2015, 07:02:32 AM »

Good read and more importantly a refreshing read! What I took out of that (seeing as there's different views on it) was that although IJC dont particularly like the stickering up thing they know it happens and aren't completely opposed to it, but they are completely opposed to misleading customers, which is why they still stock certain manufactures who outsource bats, but are completely up front about that, because at least they aren't misleading the customer, which is where IJC's gripe lies.
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2015, 07:21:25 AM »


Manufacturing and retailing
I liked your reference to white labelling. You'll find there aren't may 'sales/retail' companies that do their own manufacturing. Companies are generally manufacturers, or wholesalers or retailers. Not all of them. Structuring their operations this way allows them to specialise, keeping costs downs. Yet, when it comes to cricket bats, we expect a beginning to end process.

In reality, your Nike Free Runs that are 'made in Vietnam' aren't made in a factory owned by Nike by Nike employees. Nike raise a tender to which a company responds and fills the order.
This is essentially how many cricket bats come to existence. GN have their order for x thousand mid quality bats and a company in india fill the order.



If I remember correctly, the factory in India that makes GN bats is actually a wholly owned subsidiary/Indian "affiliate" of GN, rather than one of the many cricket bat production facilities that are out there, tendering for business.
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