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roco · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:22:53 AM »

I think it has come from slow mo on tv seeing how much a handle does flex has to have an effect on energy transfer but I'm not 100% convinced a super stiff handle could transfer enough energy back to have a massive impact

saying that the carbo handle I had did seem to play different to my normal bat at the time so its confusing me a bit

might need to do the math on a few things if I get round to it

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #16 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:28:16 AM »

Quote from: Lwesty143 on November 09, 2015, 07:02:55 PM

Another interesting read, I'm sure Jacques Kallis always had something that looked like a massive counter weight on his handle.

Saw a picture of kallis is handle with the grip rolled down at the top pretty certain the counterbalance was lead tape.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #17 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:48:46 AM »

Quote from: roco on November 10, 2015, 09:57:12 AM

seems to be about stiffening the handle but are there other ways to do this maybe double binding the handle?

Also Used to have a GN with Carbon fibre springs to give the bat a stiffer handle therefore reducing the energy lost when striking the ball the bat made an hollow sound when you gave the ball a thump.

roco · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:50:41 AM »

yeah it was the gn fusion but that was whole handle as before the new laws

I had one and sounded very funny

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:04:52 AM »

Quote from: roco on November 10, 2015, 10:50:41 AM

yeah it was the gn fusion but that was whole handle as before the new laws

I had one and sounded very funny

Yes that's the one couldn't remember the name also around the same time GN made a carbon fibre handle designed to help keep the weight within the blade giving the bat a bigger profile

roco · « **Reply #20 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:11:13 AM »

from my point of view its weird as the comparison with hockey where tech has moved on dramatically from wood stick to composite as it gives no one the advantage as everyone has them so now sticks feather light but so much more powerful

but as it would give the batsmen a big advantage the tech in cricket has remained the same barring a few little tweaks

I'm all for more power etc but having seen the difference in hockey it would be too much in favour of batting so maybe we should just be happy with tweaks every now and again and work on our ability rather than blame the bat haha

procricket · « **Reply #21 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:21:38 AM »

Streaky I have a cargo core handle you can take a look at on Saturday lad

skip1973 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:42:17 AM »

Quote from: The Doctor on November 10, 2015, 10:08:16 AM

Again not convinced about this stiffness claim on something that does not penetrate that far, For me it would certainly need to go past the pivot point and almost certain into the blade to have any effect.

So there's nothing to the claim it's the resin penetrating down through the handle that aids stiffening?

The Doctor · « **Reply #23 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:10:33 PM »

Quote from: skip1973 on November 10, 2015, 11:42:17 AM

So there's nothing to the claim it's the resin penetrating down through the handle that aids stiffening?

Not quite sure where it states that (info direct from L&W website;

L&W C-Ten
The C-Ten is brand new technology and is proving to be incredibly popular.
The feedback we have received has been amazing and we know that this handle is the future!
Due to the honeycomb structure at the top of the handle it is reasonably rigid so performance is increased (similar to the CarboCane offering) but it is not so stiff that it feels strange in the hands.
The other main benefit is that the clear resin used to infuse and secure the honeycomb is heavier than the cane it replaces. This brings the balance point of the bat further up the blade towards the hands and therefore makes it feel lighter.
These factors improve balance and performance which are the two main factors looked for in an elite cricket bat.
The L&W C-Ten handles can be made in Oval, Round, Thick, Thin, Long, Short, and Super Short sizes.

The Doctor · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:24:07 PM »

Quote from: roco on November 10, 2015, 10:22:53 AM

I think it has come from slow mo on tv seeing how much a handle does flex has to have an effect on energy transfer but I'm not 100% convinced a super stiff handle could transfer enough energy back to have a massive impact

saying that the carbo handle I had did seem to play different to my normal bat at the time so its confusing me a bit

might need to do the math on a few things if I get round to it

Majority of flex shown on TV is after bat/ball impact.

I don�t think you can compare 1 bat and scientifically say it was the handle; you would need to look at batches and ensure all other factors were constant otherwise it would be like the small print in a ladies make up advert

�survey 66% of agree that this magic cream makes you look 50 years younger (survey based on 2 ladies from the local nursing home �) �

As bats are made from a natural product(s) it is always hard to justify a claim, and you will tend to find that the �advantages� of a feature are created by the marketing department with very little or no testing/research. This is the reason for me starting the blog to try and put a little bit of reasoning behind the claims.

Streaky

trypewriter · « **Reply #25 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:37:58 PM »

I'd seen the pics of how far down the handle the honeycomb went and immediately dismissed it as twaddle - but what do I know?

skip1973 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:40:06 PM »

roco · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:55:08 PM »

Quote from: The Doctor on November 10, 2015, 12:24:07 PM

Majority of flex shown on TV is after bat/ball impact.

I don�t think you can compare 1 bat and scientifically say it was the handle; you would need to look at batches and ensure all other factors were constant otherwise it would be like the small print in a ladies make up advert

�survey 66% of agree that this magic cream makes you look 50 years younger (survey based on 2 ladies from the local nursing home �) �

As bats are made from a natural product(s) it is always hard to justify a claim, and you will tend to find that the �advantages� of a feature are created by the marketing department with very little or no testing/research. This is the reason for me starting the blog to try and put a little bit of reasoning behind the claims.

Streaky

Having worked extensively with wood and machining wood I tend to agree as with any natural product they are never 100% the same as nature is not

it is why in hockey with the composite design they can make these claims and they are justified

As long as bats are made from mostly wood no 2 bats will the same regardless of how they are made or what is added, that is why I said I wasn't 100% convinced other than the fact the 2 I had did seem to feel different.

if you locked the handle in place ( where hands are placed) and pushed the bat back from the "sweet spot" would it snap first at the bottom of the handle or splice?

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:56:11 PM »

Would it not be just easier to drill narrow deep holes and then pour resin in instead of a drill for an inch and then let it seep through...you can definitely see the absorption in the handle further than the 1inch cut out, looks like black specks on the cane.

Also since you are allowed 10% other materials in the handle why not use carbon fiber tape on the handle, over or under the twine? that would/should cover the entire handle and still could be legal!!

edge · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2015, 03:55:27 PM »

Quote from: tushar sehgal on November 10, 2015, 12:56:11 PM

Would it not be just easier to drill narrow deep holes and then pour resin in instead of a drill for an inch and then let it seep through...you can definitely see the absorption in the handle further than the 1inch cut out, looks like black specks on the cane.

Also since you are allowed 10% other materials in the handle why not use carbon fiber tape on the handle, over or under the twine? that would/should cover the entire handle and still could be legal!!

Now you've got me wishing I still had access to piles of composites and resin... Half an hour's work to wrap a handle in kevlar or carbon fibre instead of twine, don't think cf would be the best plan but kevlar could be an interesting experiment (kevlar is less brittle so handles flex better than carbon).

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