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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1470 on: January 17, 2016, 03:28:38 PM »

Never rated Bairstow at 5 in his previous goes in the side, but good form and the move to keeping/7 has worked for him, finally looks at home in the side. Fingers crossed his keeping improves as it has for many previous England keepers, big box ticked for England if he can.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1471 on: January 17, 2016, 03:42:26 PM »

Never rated Bairstow at 5 in his previous goes in the side, but good form and the move to keeping/7 has worked for him, finally looks at home in the side. Fingers crossed his keeping improves as it has for many previous England keepers, big box ticked for England if he can.
I agree edge and the competition for the keeping spot he has with Buttler seems to be positive, Jos doesn't appear to be the type of guy to have a sulk but rather knuckle down and work hard to get back in, maybe in time there could be room for both, I don't know?.
All the lads seem to get on well, you can see in the way celebrate with each other, another positive and long may it continue.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1472 on: January 17, 2016, 04:02:14 PM »

Think the biggest issue is who takes the gloves in the one dayers if bairstow keeps the form, difficult to get them both in the team but they both would be for me

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1473 on: January 17, 2016, 04:10:55 PM »

Think the biggest issue is who takes the gloves in the one dayers if bairstow keeps the form, difficult to get them both in the team but they both would be for me

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Good point and I don't think you can leave Buttler out of the white ball stuff, he's far too destructive and can win a game on his own.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1474 on: January 17, 2016, 04:12:54 PM »

Only way i could spin it is drop Taylor, stokes/Bairstow/Buttler bat wherever depending on the situation, but then again i dont recall Taylor doing too much wrong in the white ball game

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1475 on: January 17, 2016, 04:21:38 PM »


Only way i could spin it is drop Taylor, stokes/Bairstow/Buttler bat wherever depending on the situation, but then again i dont recall Taylor doing too much wrong in the white ball game

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it's funny how Taylor got a game for England first playing white ball, considering up to two years go he was shocking in white ball for notts
Slowed the game down way too much, pitting pressure on the lower order


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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1476 on: January 17, 2016, 04:24:07 PM »

it's funny how Taylor got a game for England first playing white ball, considering up to two years go he was shocking in white ball for notts
Slowed the game down way too much, pitting pressure on the lower order


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Always need someone to rebuild an innings with destructive players around them, averages 42 aswell ...

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1477 on: January 17, 2016, 04:26:21 PM »

Yeh he does it brilliantly now, and at a decent strike rate and average
I just find it amusing how two years ago he was purely a red ball player, yet he got his first proper run in an England side in limited overs cricket


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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1478 on: January 17, 2016, 04:30:16 PM »

Only way i could spin it is drop Taylor, stokes/Bairstow/Buttler bat wherever depending on the situation, but then again i dont recall Taylor doing too much wrong in the white ball game

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It's nice to have the competiton for places especially in white ball as far as the batting goes, I feel that we have had strength in depth in the bowling department for a while now and players like Plunket, Jordan and one or two others may feel hard done by.
We still need a test opener and a number three in my opinion and I'd rather have Bell come back in than persist with Compton but that's just my view and maybe not the long term solution.
This is going to be left field and cause a few groans and I know it's been tried already but trying Root again as opener could possibly solve some issues, he's a year or two older than when it was tried previously and tbh I think the lad can play anywhere he's that good.
He seems like the type who'd snap you're hand off at the chance to bat for as long as possible and I know he can look a bit scratchy sometimes for the first half dozen balls or so but it could be an option, controvesial I know but there I've said it and I'm preparing myself for the fallout.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1479 on: January 17, 2016, 04:41:38 PM »

There's going to be a lot of square pegs in round holes in the test team. I cant even hazard a guess to the solution! Those in and around the bowling set up excite me however!

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1480 on: January 17, 2016, 04:45:02 PM »

For tests I'm with Edge, Bairstow looks at home keeping and batting 7, much like Stokes did when he got moved up to bat 6. I don't see a reason why Buttler and Bairstow couldn't potentially play in the same one day side with Buttler as a specialist batsman, same with Buttler and Billings in T20, in white ball cricket Buttler would warrant his place as a batsman even if he couldn't keep.

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1481 on: January 17, 2016, 04:52:09 PM »

For tests I'm with Edge, Bairstow looks at home keeping and batting 7, much like Stokes did when he got moved up to bat 6. I don't see a reason why Buttler and Bairstow couldn't potentially play in the same one day side with Buttler as a specialist batsman, same with Buttler and Billings in T20, in white ball cricket Buttler would warrant his place as a batsman even if he couldn't keep.

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I think it could help Buttler maybe batting at 4 or 5 as a specialist batter in the odi side bring his game on
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1482 on: January 17, 2016, 04:55:54 PM »

I think it could help Buttler maybe batting at 4 or 5 as a specialist batter in the odi side bring his game on
My thoughts exactly Dave, especially in T20 stuff, ODI's he has time to make big scores from almost anywhere in the order but if he's not keeping I don't see why he couldn't even bat 3 in T20.

As an aside I'm paying my first visit to B3 tomorrow to pick up my Pepsi, can't wait!

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1483 on: January 17, 2016, 06:46:50 PM »

For tests I'm with Edge, Bairstow looks at home keeping and batting 7, much like Stokes did when he got moved up to bat 6.

Hmmm...given how badly he has been messed around by the England selectors, I wouldn't read too much into anything between his two scores against the (genuinely world class) Yarpie side three and a half years back and the first test f his recall last Summer.

Since then, he scored more in one dig than the entire Aussie side, looked reasonable in the gulf in the conditions to which he was least suited, and has been titanic in this series.  Look at the figures - 345 runs at a very good lick for three out.  That's very impressive...and then you have to take into account that all three dismissals came when he was with ten and jack and having to take obscene risks.  No South African bowler has dismissed him until the slog was on...

...how many would he have scored in his rightful spot at five?

"Rightful", you ask?  Well, at the start of the Pakistan series, he was deemed our best bet at five and he did nothing to merit losing the spot.  By all means give him the gloves, but he should have stayed in situ with Taylor brought in further down.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #1484 on: January 17, 2016, 06:47:54 PM »

I like the idea of Bairstow in Test matches and Buttler in the white ball stuff...
It allows Buttler to play in the IPL further his skill against the best and become a better around player!
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