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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2015, 11:03:22 AM »

First over in the Bangladesh t20..... Maiden.
He's got figures of 2 wickets for 5 runs off 2 overs.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2015, 12:40:41 PM »

finished with 4 wickets.

He's done his time, let him play. I'm sure we can all name a few cricketers who are currently playing who are dodgy including a world cup winning captain. It's still a problem in cricket
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 01:06:49 PM »

Rehabilitation is a criminal matter, not a sporting one, so the principles aren't quite the same - banning someone from sport for life isn't the same as locking them up for life! Harsh, but fixing or doping should be met with life bans in all sports, as a deterrent. Look at Justin Gatlin, filthy repeat drugs cheat but he's still having huge success - what kind of message does that send.
Amir wasn't banned for life though, so he's coming back like it or not.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2015, 01:14:34 PM »

Stand to be corrected but i think the only ones who have life bans are salim malik,kaneria and azuhruddin...
No others i dont think have actual life bans from the game.
Amir realistically is the only one who will come back.asif and butt are too old looking at the current pakistan side
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2015, 01:42:31 PM »

If you have committed huge financial scams would you be allowed in the industry? No. You might get other jobs and ppl will accept you (maybe) after you've done your time.

If you've shared sensitive secrets about your country with others could you work for the military? No but you might get a civilian job

It's ok to accept rehabilitated people back in society but do they get back the same profession? Most likely no. If you've missed a presentation deadline or made a mistake then your boss my guy have a word with you and then you get back to work.  If you have shared company secrets, insider trading or anything else you never work for that firm or sometimes even that same profession again

Fixers have no place in cricket no matter from which nation or how great.


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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2015, 03:32:17 PM »

With the above jobs the initial punishment includes life bans in those fields so no problem

But this was a timed ban so he accepted the punishment for the crime did the time so he has held up his end of the contract so now allowed to play again

I agree change the laws to say if you are convicted for fixing it's an automatic life time ban then it's clear
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2015, 04:10:01 PM »

Match fixers should be banned for life in my opinion.

All this "he's done the time" stuff doesn't wash with me. At 18 you're old enough to know your own mind, so saying he was too young is a load of rubbish. He knew what he was getting himself in for, and knew it was wrong.

He may be allowed to play again, but every wide or no ball will be surrounded with doubt.

He can make a living playing hit and giggle, but I sincerley hope the Pakistan selectors have more respect for the game than to recall him.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2015, 07:02:35 PM »

There are certain lines which you don't cross. If you cross them then there is no return. I believe certain mistakes do fall in this category. Representing ones country in an international forum is privilege and only a few are lucky to get there.

There are many under-paid players who represent their national team in other sports. Think about hockey players and field/track athletics from any country. They wouldn't be paid anywhere close to cricketers nor do they make money out of sponsorship (may be one or two superstars do make money .. but consider the rest). If those people maintain integrity while representing their country then what exempts a cricketer ??
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2015, 07:29:35 PM »

I don't believe in "he was just 18 and a kid." That's absurd, he was well aware of his doing! The "the kid" image he carries is nothing but a way to gain sympathy.

If he is to play then there is absolutely no way why Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif can not play. All three are equal offenders, all three did same crime.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2015, 10:04:41 PM »

So fine for Warne to take drugs, fine for Warne and Waugh to give information to bookies, but an impressionable 18 year-old with no money isn't allowed to play again?
Let he who has never sinned throw the first stone.

It sure won't be me.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2015, 10:49:31 PM »

Every ball he bowls will be under the microscope however, everyone deserves a second chance and so does he.

Yes he made a massive mistake. Coming from a poor family and naivety must've played a huge part. He regrets it and is looking to make amends. Fair play too him and all the best at resurrecting his career.

Many pros have been forgiven by sports fans and there's no difference why it should be any different in this case
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2015, 10:59:15 PM »

No one is gonna bowl no balls on purpose anymore.

The umpires don't even bother looking for that, they just check on wickets.

And let's face it, if someone's good enough to take wickets at will to spot fix no balls, they'd be ridicolously good. 
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2015, 11:04:07 PM »

Just seen a great quote on Twitter...

If Dhoni and the rest of them are allowed to play, why shouldn't Amir.

He has a point.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2015, 09:20:08 AM »

I think the point a lot of people are missing is that it was spot fixing, not match fixing. It's obviously still not allowed but at the end of the day he was a young kid who was offered a lot of money to bowl a purposeful no ball. Many bowlers in the history of the game have bowled purposeful no balls in order to make the ball arrive at the batsman quicker. I remember watching one of the great West Indian bowlers bowl a 13 ball over consisting of no balls specifically to keep bowling at a particular batsman that he didn't like.

It's a completely different story to the Chris Cairn's scenario in which they were trying to throw entire matches.

It was a mistake and he was punished, I say let the lad come back. He'd never be stupid enough to do anything like it again.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2015, 10:24:10 AM »

Like others have said, I think cheating should carry a life time pro ban BUT seeing as he didn't receive a lifetime ban he received a timed ban, once it has been served he can come back at any level he's capable of reaching. I don't think it'll ever be the same for him though, everything he does will be scrutinised and he may never regain the trust of his team mates (presuming they're honest cricketers!) and we all know how important "the dressing room" apparently is in professional sport!
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