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Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« on: December 02, 2015, 11:10:47 PM »

Interesting read, the comments are just as good

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/01/the-spin-death-of-a-country-cricket-club?CMP=share_btn_fb

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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2015, 11:37:20 PM »

It's a sad read,that's for sure,and it's happening all over the Country.
In my part of London,apart from the simple fact less players are available to actually play,Councils have upped ground rents to 'rateable value' for the playing area...this has a massive effect on clubs ability to pay rents as they increase constantly without the previous protection of being seen as a service to the community-hence back then low rents were given out.
Couple that with tv for those only who can afford it(a massive factor) and the ECB missing what is actually 'grass roots cricket' and you have a perfect storm of unviable small cricket clubs.
I find the whole thing thou roughy depressing. the game is dying.
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 12:11:27 AM »

The former North Manchester League lost Westleigh Methodists to closure during their penultimate season. During the first XI game I played there one of their players explained to us that they were struggling for members and people to help out and weren't sure if they were going to survive the season. The whole thing was tragic really given the history of the club. Makes me regret the disparaging comments I made about the place when I was playing away up there.

The ECB really needs to pull it's finger out and get something done to stop the decline of small clubs, there's a lot out there that are struggling and most likely won't survive the decade at the current rate of decline (with allowances made for me exaggerating).
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 06:35:11 AM »

I'm not sure the ECB are that bothered about small clubs folding. If they were they would have done something about it.

It's all about the 6XI mega clubs now....
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 08:35:25 AM »

I see it happening locally here as sides that had 3 side 5 years ago now struggle to get a 1st team out

we struggled a bit to get 2 sides last year despite having 40 + juniors every Thursday and 4 junior teams but that was down to administration and selection rather than players.

The clique of selection can be a big downfall in some clubs so both need to be looked at if a club is to survive today as juniors are just not keeping playing after 16 in the numbers they used to.
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 09:05:40 AM »

Sad to say but the ECB consider grass roots to be the 1st XI of the premier league teams, anything below that fails to hit their radar. I don't see any money from sky feeding down to grass roots, it's all smoke and mirrors.
And actually as the article shows you can have all the facilities but if you haven't got the players you haven't got a club, and that really is the crux of the problem with cricket being alavailble in a broadcast sense to the few.
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 09:13:39 AM »

It's true the ECB could maybe do more for smaller clubs but - and this applies across all major sports - should there be a priority in investing in clubs that may not be sustainable?  I play for a club with two adult teams.  If I were an ECB Development Manager do I invest in that club or the club up the road with numerous adult teams, a women's team and a youth set up across all or most ages?  They have to be strategic in their approach with funds that are simply not enough to share equally.  The money coming in at the top is not filtering down in anywhere near the levels required.  It's very frustrating but you cannot assume there is an infinite funding stream and they have to justify that expenditure to various funders or funding decreases.

It's too simplistic to say it's all down to the ECB.  Where do they get their money from?  Has that increased or decreased over years?  Why are councils charging higher rates?  Have they had their budgets and staff cut?  Can they afford to maintain cricket pitches?  Can clubs afford to maintain cricket pitches?  Why are councils selling off so many parks and playing fields?  Why are facilities so poor?

It;s an incredibly sad article.  I've had two cricket clubs this week contacting me about housing development on their pitches that they can't do anything about.  They only lease the ground (albeit long term leases) and the landowner's sold.  Simple as that.  With the relaxation in laws on developers requirement over the past five years there is no obligation to re-house these clubs.  They're done.  So it's not just falling participation, it's housing and corporate developments that are killing sports clubs, especially in inner city areas...



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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 09:14:52 AM »

So many factors, some more than others and I'd imagine the list is also personally subjective

People have more choice now (ie, used to spend Saturday's in the summer doing sport, now you can go do a vast range of sport or even 'visit' people, shop or get pissed)

The cost is sky rocketing. Ground rents, paying players, ground equipment, bats, helmets are all stupidly over priced

Selection at clubs has always been an issue but people used to just accept it, people don't just accept it now, they'll vote with their feet.

Ecb, everything they do has been to the detriment of the amateur game.. Including pumping money into the big clubs which has only made things worse and not raised the standard of anything.

Big clubs.. These while good for those in their 1xi (as they usually get a good ground, free stash etc etc) are sucking in youth and average players for their 2/3/4/5/6xi teams and only aim is to bleed them of money topay the next star or pro

Clubs not ensuring all x get a game and using out dated language like 'it's a league game so if I'm the best batsmen and bowler I should get to do both and you accept it and have regular fresh air games or at the most a slog'.. Again, used to be fine but it's out dated and people won't accept it. Where as they may have just changed clubs before, now they just quit playing.

Enjoyment.. People seem more aggressive now both physically and verbally on the field, as we've all spoke about before things like sledging are more prevalent now and although some say it's all part of the game., it's unnecessary and yet another small reason some will stop playing. Call them what you like but the game needs those players more than it needs he few who sledge.

Volunteers - clubs used to be local clubs, families and mates together with wives and kids all chipping in. Not anymore (generally). Clubs either have to pay their 'staff' or rely on few people (who, usually have an agenda like their kids play so they want to ensure little jimmy is picked etc). Helpers for grounds etc are becoming less and less and so clubs can't keep going and fold

No cricket in state schools.. Where do kids now learn about the game ??

No cricket on TV.... Where do kids learn about their idol who will inspire them to play???
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 09:31:04 AM »

@ProCricketer1982 => No cricket on TV ?? Doesn't BBC have broadcasting rights for England's home games ? I thought Formula 1 was the only one which started with ITV jumped to BBC and then to SkySports ! Did cricket broadcasting also fold into Sky Network ?
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 09:34:11 AM »

@ProCricketer1982 => No cricket on TV ?? Doesn't BBC have broadcasting rights for England's home games ? I thought Formula 1 was the only one which started with ITV jumped to BBC and then to SkySports ! Did cricket broadcasting also fold into Sky Network ?

Crickets been on sky only since 2006
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 09:52:28 AM »

cricket on TV peaked during the 2005 Ashes, shortly after that the ECB accepted the highest short term offer available which was SKY.
Viewing of cricket and players actually playing the game(especially youngsters) has gone off a cliff since then.We are now at a point where if nothing is done to reverse it, the game will die at amateur level.-i'm talking about working class kids playing not private schools.

Alan Sanford and his criminal ponzi scheme turned up in a helicopter at Lords with a Perspex box full of a million dollars and the ECB got the red carpet out for him.

I cannot be the only one who watched this and realised the long term future of the game was now in serious danger of being mis-managed.And it was.
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 10:16:00 AM »

I'm not sure the ECB are that bothered about small clubs folding. If they were they would have done something about it.

It's all about the 6XI mega clubs now....

This is correct in the Wocester County League there are only 4 clubs left with 1 team 3 of them used to have 2nd teams  its difficult to get any financial help unless  you have you have several  sides plus  Juniors
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 10:18:27 AM »

@smilley792 @ppccopener

Never knew about this stuff. I assumed state sponsored television would generally get broadcasting rights for home matches.

In US, Willow TV has been the main source for cricket matches around the world. They held all rights until 2013 when England home matches move to another channel called One World Sports (Sky affiliate in USA). For the most part i have been skipping the england home matches because one world sports channel is part of bigger bundle and that adds extra 35 USD (per month) to my cable charges.
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 10:26:32 AM »

Its nearly impossible to get any funding or help unless you have junior sides and have clubmark

I know a few that have been close to folding as without club mark they cannot get any help

When numbers playing drop to a level where viewing figures drop and gate attendances drop then the ECB will pay attention but as long as England matches full and people watching sky so sky pay for right ECB will think the game is peachy
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Re: Article in the Guardian on clubs folding
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2015, 10:33:09 AM »

So in order to ensure the sustainability of small clubs, with few volunteers, no feeder systems, grounds they don't own and clubs that struggle to put out eleven players, which is the majority of clubs in this country, what's the answer?

Do you throw money at them by way of grants or awards, which may keep them going for a year or two, or do you focus on educating clubs and helping them holistically to ensure sustainability?  Because one thing's for certain.  If you throw money at these clubs effectively as handouts and don't see increases in participation levels, or returns for your investment, you won''t see that funding going into developing the game in the first place.  Cricket Development has no choice but to focus on the strong, sustainable clubs, because that guarantees them the best chance of future funding to support clubs.  It's not fair at all, if our club didn't have sponsorship we'd be ruined, but you have to look high up in the ECB establishment to recognise the funding isn't trickling down - Development can only work with what they're given.

I meet with a lot of the ECB National Development staff and I promise you one thing - they are as frustrated as we are.  They're trying to generate £5 out of £1 for clubs; savings on utility bills, smart groundwork, energy efficiency, educating clubs on player pathways, school-club links, coach education; make players better so they enjoy the game more.  It isn't sexy, but sadly there isn't a bottomless pit of money to simply throw at clubs.  Money is always wasted to a point, sports NGBs aren't the only organisations do that, it happens across every industry, but they are far smarter with it than they used to be.

Participation and engagement is another thing altogether, but with funding and participation issues, there is no singular reason or organisation to scapegoat.
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