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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2016, 12:37:52 AM »

Don't see why Bell would be considered for a recall. Even if Hales/Compton/Taylor flop, there's Ballance waiting in the wings. Also Buttler can come in as keeper and Bairstow can play as a batsman.

Latterly Bell is a terrible player of spin so selecting him for a tour to India would be a waste of time.

I have a soft corner for Ian Bell and I wish he gets a decent send off. Dropping and dumping shouldn't be the way. Give him one test match and tell him he is retiring with this one. Let him walk gracefully of the field and let the spectators have one last chance to see him in action.
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2016, 08:27:01 AM »

I have a soft corner for Ian Bell and I wish he gets a decent send off. Dropping and dumping shouldn't be the way. Give him one test match and tell him he is retiring with this one. Let him walk gracefully of the field and let the spectators have one last chance to see him in action.

it'd be a nice sentiment but ultimately it's professional sport not a charity - he's hardly a legend of the game just one of many good test cricketers
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2016, 08:43:14 AM »

yeah that does not happen anymore at the highest level unless you really are a legend like Sachin,sanga,ponting etc.
Bell is a very good player but nowhere near great in the world game or for England.

I would be loathe to write him off totally thou, you never know what might happen in the future,he is only about 33 I think.
He is at the back of the que now thou with younger guys coming thru more hungry that he is to play for England.

Compton is in Bell's old slot now and is he doesn't work out(I really hope he does long term) there is still Ballance.

England would not of taken Ballance on the tour unless they wanted him back around the team....so he may be next in line too..
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2016, 08:45:35 AM »

yeah that does not happen anymore at the highest level unless you really are a legend like Sachin,sanga,ponting etc.
Bell is a very good player but nowhere near great in the world game or for England.

I would be loathe to write him off totally thou, you never know what might happen in the future,he is only about 33 I think.
He is at the back of the que now thou with younger guys coming thru more hungry that he is to play for England.

Compton is in Bell's old slot now and is he doesn't work out(I really hope he does long term) there is still Ballance.

England would not of taken Ballance on the tour unless they wanted him back around the team....so he may be next in line too..

I guess there were many chances were ECB could have mentioned that this is his last run. Against WI right after the world cup, Ashes against Australia, Pak tour at UAE. They could have easily told him in one of those series that he is looking at this end run ...
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2016, 08:52:06 AM »

yeah that does not happen anymore at the highest level unless you really are a legend like Sachin,sanga,ponting etc.
Bell is a very good player but nowhere near great in the world game or for England.

I would be loathe to write him off totally thou, you never know what might happen in the future,he is only about 33 I think.
He is at the back of the que now thou with younger guys coming thru more hungry that he is to play for England.

Compton is in Bell's old slot now and is he doesn't work out(I really hope he does long term) there is still Ballance.

England would not of taken Ballance on the tour unless they wanted him back around the team....so he may be next in line too..

He is almost certainly back of the queue now, there's a lot of middle order batsmen gagging for a shot at test cricket, Roy, Ansari, Vince to name a few, who I wager would now be above Bell in the pecking order.
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2016, 08:57:44 AM »

I agree with the points raised above but who would have thought Compton could get back into the squad? If he makes enough runs in the county circuit his name cannot be dismissed (unless you're KP but lets not open that can of worms again :) ) Also age is no barrier as proven by M. Hussey and A. Voges so he has every chance of playing for England again all be it with very low odds to his name.
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2016, 09:00:00 AM »

Have to agree. Given his age and lack of form it would need a Ramprakash-esque run of form in county cricket, i.e. averaging in excess of 100 consistently and for all those ahead of him to fail badly. I don't think he'd be considered before the winter when he'd be 34.

The England team is moving on. Unlike the aussies there's seems to be an aversion to picking older players, it was one of the reasons given for not bringing KP back in. Sadly I do think Bell's played his last test match.
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2016, 09:02:10 AM »

I agree with the points raised above but who would have thought Compton could get back into the squad? If he makes enough runs in the county circuit his name cannot be dismissed (unless you're KP but lets not open that can of worms again :) ) Also age is no barrier as proven by M. Hussey and A. Voges so he has every chance of playing for England again all be it with very low odds to his name.

Chris Rogers is another example. But Aussies are willing to give them a run, however England aren't ...
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2016, 09:03:44 AM »

Chris Rogers is another example. But Aussies are willing to give them a run, however England aren't ...

It isn't so much that they've been willing to give them a run as that they haven't had many young alternatives.
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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2016, 09:05:49 AM »

It isn't so much that they've been willing to give them a run as that they haven't had many young alternatives.

Usman Khawaja is an alternative option to Rogers. Was Usman injured during Ashes ? Or was Rogers performing better at county level ?
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2016, 09:09:30 AM »

He is almost certainly back of the queue now, there's a lot of middle order batsmen gagging for a shot at test cricket, Roy, Ansari, Vince to name a few, who I wager would now be above Bell in the pecking order.

James Vince of Hants is a good shout, he's a very good player with a sound technique to bat uptop......probably doesn't get enough County runs, as in massive hundreds consistently.....but England picked Tresco and Vaughan with very 'average' averages...Compton also has not scored massive in the last 2 years.So presume that wont stop him,he also has a good limited overs game.
Ansari also pretty sure England want him in and around the team soon....
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2016, 11:03:59 AM »

Usman Khawaja is an alternative option to Rogers. Was Usman injured during Ashes ? Or was Rogers performing better at county level ?
As an Opening bat?
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2016, 03:56:41 PM »

Usman Khawaja is an alternative option to Rogers. Was Usman injured during Ashes ? Or was Rogers performing better at county level ?
Khawaja got a run and failed before they turned to Rogers.
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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2016, 09:21:57 PM »


As an Opening bat?

Yes .. Usman as opener, but edge pointed out the reason ..


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Re: Ian Bell
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2016, 09:45:33 PM »

Rogers was selected after Ed Cowan failed to secure the openers slot coupled with the late Phillip Hughes being moved into the middle order. Khawaja was never an opener. He missed the 2015 Ashes as he was recovering from a career threatening knee injury.
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