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[Aussie In England]

If Alderman wasn't banned in 1985, he'd probably have had 100+ wickets in England alone.

[northernboy1987]

If Alderman wasn't banned in 1985, he'd probably have had 100+ wickets in England alone.

Rebel tour I'm presuming?

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[ProCricketer1982]

Steyn is the best of the generation. Anderson is a highly skilled swing bowler. In England you'd still choose steyn first (assume both at peaks) but Anderson for England conditions would come an easy second.

As people have said, Anderson doesn't look fully fit so missing those slightly quicker balls he has/had. He'll take loads in England as they'll prepare green tops but I suspect he'll retire after India

[Aussie In England]

Rebel tour I'm presuming?

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Yeah mate...lost 4 years of his career, plus another 14 months when he rugby tackled an English fan a Perth and screwed his shoulder up 

[northernboy1987]

Shame to see good players have their careers ended early, always felt for Simon Jones after the '05 Ashes, he was a fine bowler.

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[Aussie In England]

Steyn is the best of the generation. Anderson is a highly skilled swing bowler. In England you'd still choose steyn first (assume both at peaks) but Anderson for England conditions would come an easy second.

As people have said, Anderson doesn't look fully fit so missing those slightly quicker balls he has/had. He'll take loads in England as they'll prepare green tops but I suspect he'll retire after India

TBH will England need him in India?

Broad and Finn, plus Stokes. Then Ali and Rashid/Panesar? You won't need 4 seam up bowlers on the pitches the Indians are currently serving up!

[Aussie In England]

Shame to see good players have their careers ended early, always felt for Simon Jones after the '05 Ashes, he was a fine bowler.

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My favourite England bowler in recent times...don't tell anyone I said that 

[FattusCattus]

Alderman - what a genius, swung it late and just enough. Actually formed a lovely partnership with Lawson.

Imagine an attack with the Dukes ball of:

Alderman
Steyn
Anderson
Flintoff
Swann

mmmm lovely!

[northernboy1987]

Was an important part of a very good pace attack, people remember him for the prodigious reverse swing but he was capable of bowling with real wheels too. Mighty fine bowler.

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[ppccopener]

To be fair to us England fans,well a lot of us on here anyway, we are putting Steyn at the top of the best list, his strike rate is phenomenal, he's done it all over the world,moves it at genuine pace.But what we saying is Jimmy and broad are world class and in English conditions with a duke ball Steyn and Jimmy there's a fag paper between them.Id have Anderson under THOSE conditions as the best.
Overall...yes Steyn is the best of his generation-we are not really arguing the point

[Number4]

I just don't see why a brand of ball should decide who is a better bowler.... You either are or you aren't in my opinion

[northernboy1987]

Steyn shouldn't be allowed in the running in the same way AB shouldn't for white ball batsmen, they're freaks, once in a lifetime players who do things that are right at the limit of what is possible.

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[uknsaunders]

How many of you actually remember Alderman bowling? For gods sake!

1981 - apart from the oval there was 5 seamers decks. Even Woakes could of got wickets on those.

1989 - the wickets were better but England weren't. Alderman just bowled straight and they all played across the line.

He got 80 odd wickets because he got Gooch lbw 20 odd times falling over his bloody front foot!.

Alderman was a fine bowler but he  wasn't as quick as Anderson or as good through the air.

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[Number4]

Maybe you watched a different ashes series than me in '81 as Alderman only got Gooch out  twice and only once which was lbw.

The '89 series he got him lbw 3 times... Lawson was more of a problem for Gooch..

Failing memory with age I guess Nick

[uknsaunders]

Maybe you watched a different ashes series than me in '81 as Alderman only got Gooch out  twice and only once which was lbw.

The '89 series he got him lbw 3 times... Lawson was more of a problem for Gooch..

Failing memory with age I guess Nick

I think you must be right about 81 and 89 but it was a running joke at the time. In 81 Gooch got lbw to Lawson and lillee as well. In fact he wasn't even good enough to get his pad in the way to Alderman on one occasion. How on earth he got out to ray bright twice in a test I don't know.

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