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[felix]

Agree that it's terrible sportsmanship, since on this occasion it wasn't as if the batsman was blatantly stealing a yard (I know there have been other incidents when that's not been the case) and he wasn't warned.  The law seems like an ass on this one, since I think they do say that the bowler mustn't be into his action before taking the bails off, so it acts like an incentive to do what the bowler's done here, namely to run in with the sole intention of mankading him.  As a few have said, if he'd run in as if to bowl, the bat would probably have been behind the line.

[gaurav23]

& my last post - more than In general had to do with a match last Sunday where I was fielding at short mid wicket & a thick skinned non striker tried his best in testing our patience. Had showed him & the umpire the whole routine which I typed in the post so was fresh.
& in the same match, while taking a second run in order to avoid the returning bowler,I slipped & fell and  the opp captain ran me out [emoji29][emoji24]
Funnily, the keeper did not want to take the bails off but his captain snatched the ball off his gloves &


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[tate035]

& my last post - more than In general had to do with a match last Sunday where I was fielding at short mid wicket & a thick skinned non striker tried his best in testing our patience. Had showed him & the umpire the whole routine which I typed in the post so was fresh.
& in the same match, while taking a second run in order to avoid the returning bowler,I slipped & fell and  the opp captain ran me out [emoji29][emoji24]
Funnily, the keeper did not want to take the bails off but his captain snatched the ball off his gloves &


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Sorry Gaurav... Your comments make sense now. Pretty sure when you see it in "real time" then you will understand where most people are coming from 

With regards your recent match... that is a 50/50 for me. If i had genuinely seen you slip avoiding the bowler then I personally would not have run you out... however I still walk when i nick it....

[brokenbat]

Mankad is fair game. If you guys don't like batsmen getting out for being out of the crease,  why be ok with stumpings? Maybe the keeper should give a warning on the first stumping chance!

And what about stumping cases where the batsman accidentally lifts his foot trying to hit the ball? Or just slides it forward an inch unintentionally? How are those stumping cases any different from a mankad?

[ilanz_bess]

Please note, I am not sticking up for either side, just stating the facts...


Worth a read gents,

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/mcc-world-cricket-committee-refuses-to-change-mankading-law-159578

[ppccopener]

lots of different opinions on this type of thing for and against,and that's how it should be on a forum, I just hope those who think this is acceptable on a cricket field without any sort of warning have no influence whatsoever or involvement in junior cricket or passing on your 'knowledge of the game' to anyone younger.

'spirit of the game' can only be upheld by those actually playing it.

 

[tate035]

Mankad is fair game. If you guys don't like batsmen getting out for being out of the crease,  why be ok with stumpings? Maybe the keeper should give a warning on the first stumping chance!

And what about stumping cases where the batsman accidentally lifts his foot trying to hit the ball? Or just slides it forward an inch unintentionally? How are those stumping cases any different from a mankad?

Have you watched the incident?? I dont see the relevance of your questions... Bottom line is that the bowler made no attempt to bowl a legitimate delivery. You are talking about a situation ( a stumping) where the ball has left the bowlers hand trying to bowl a legitimate delivery.

If you think his actions where acceptable then I suppose you wouldnt have a problem when a batting side needs 2 to win with fading light and all the bowler does for the next 20 mins is try and run the non striking batsman out until the game gets called off for bad light 

[tate035]

lots of different opinions on this type of thing for and against,and that's how it should be on a forum, I just hope those who think this is acceptable on a cricket field without any sort of warning have no influence whatsoever or involvement in junior cricket or passing on your 'knowledge of the game' to anyone younger.

'spirit of the game' can only be upheld by those actually playing it.

 

There will always be those who cheat to gain advantage or take advantage of a grey area in the law BUT if we let those people become the "norm" then the beautiful game of cricket goes the way of football...

[ppccopener]

There will always be those who cheat to gain advantage or take advantage of a grey area in the law BUT if we let those people become the "norm" then the beautiful game of cricket goes the way of football...

exactly right.
 

[brokenbat]

exactly right.
 

I saw the video...my question is, why can batsmen not stay in their crease till the ball is released??

Again, I bring the stumping analogy - a batsman swings hard, and just barely drags his foot out for a second, and that too by a few mm, such that his is ON the line, as opposed to behind it. He is not trying to pinch a run, yet the keeper whips the bails off and stumps him. HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT??

I think its MORE unfair that batsmen get to leave the crease before the ball is released, because that increases their chances of making a quick single.

[Pilgrim]

I have just been reading this with interest. What I find difficult to understand is the difference between pinching an inch and pinching a yard whilst backing up - you are either seeking to gain an unfair advantage or you are not.
However, I personally agree that there should always be a 'team' warning and then anything done after that is fair enough. Perhaps it would be more interesting if there were some forfeit for the bowler if he tried to execute a Mankad by removing the bails but the batsman is actually still in? A no ball is registered perhaps with a free hit to follow? This would make bowlers think more carefully if the batsman is genuinely just backing up as normal.

[dcullen8]

I saw the video...my question is, why can batsmen not stay in their crease till the ball is released??

With this (and how marginally out the crease the batsman was) a few have mentioned the batsman would have been well within the crease as the bowler bowled had the bowler not slowed down to break the stumps.

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[brokenbat]

Time to ramp up the controversy and go Donald Trump on all you guys 

I will claim, that the "spirit of the game" has never really existed! WG Grace was a cheat and yet his portraits are everywhere, nobody ever walks consistently (yes, Gilly did it once), bowlers still appeal for LBW when they know the batsman has hit the ball, keepers wait//hope for batsmen to overbalance so they can whip the bails off, even "nice" teams (like NZ) engage in calculated "mental assaults" (like Stephen Flemming vs Graeme Smith in one of the world cups...I think), fast bowlers have often genuinely tried to hurt batsmen, etc etc.

So either we attack all of the above with equal fervor, or just lump Mankad in there and move on to splurging on new bats.

[cricketbadger]

I don't understand why this is a big issue, the batsman at the non strikers end was deliberately (or not) flaunting the laws of the game and yet it is the bowler who is penalised on some "spirit of the game" technicality.

This is no different to a batsman missing a straight ball and being bowled.

what a lot of tosh gets written in this space.

Ha Buzz what a load of tosh

You must be kidding yourself if you think that's all above board, put yourself in that batsmens position. I reckon you'd soon change your mind

[ilanz_bess]

Time to ramp up the controversy and go Donald Trump on all you guys 

I will claim, that the "spirit of the game" has never really existed! WG Grace was a cheat and yet his portraits are everywhere, nobody ever walks consistently (yes, Gilly did it once), bowlers still appeal for LBW when they know the batsman has hit the ball, keepers wait//hope for batsmen to overbalance so they can whip the bails off, even "nice" teams (like NZ) engage in calculated "mental assaults" (like Stephen Flemming vs Graeme Smith in one of the world cups...I think), fast bowlers have often genuinely tried to hurt batsmen, etc etc.

So either we attack all of the above with equal fervor, or just lump Mankad in there and move on to splurging on new bats.

Agreed! Especially with the splurging on new bats part...