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[gaurav23]

(Not with respect to this incident)
Seriously, this 'non-striker should back-up' sounds so annoying !! Why should he when there's a law against it ?? & if the bowler stops the batsman from breaking a rule, he's termed a cheat ?! Really ?!
Those who support the batsman backing up before the ball is released, once just state why


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[brokenbat]

(Not with respect to this incident)
Seriously, this 'non-striker should back-up' sounds so annoying !! Why should he when there's a law against it ?? & if the bowler stops the batsman from breaking a rule, he's termed a cheat ?! Really ?!
Those who support the batsman backing up before the ball is released, once just state why


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Exactly! You're not supposed to leave the crease before the ball is released. Period. If you do, you gain an unfair advantage.

[gaurav23]

Just like the bowler has to have some part behind the crease, it's only fair that the batsman too has to.

This was a bizarre incident though & the third umpire should've checked the bowler's action properly.


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[Karlo84]

People need to understand what backing up is!

Backing up is not "stealing yards" but getting on the move so you're ready to go if called through for  a quick one.

The incident in question the guy was on the line, surely you don't think he was trying to "steal" 1cm, maybe 2cm?? This is a poor state of affairs. The rule needs to be there to stop batsman taking the p*ss, but this was just a extremely weak way of finishing the game.

I honestly cant see how people can condone todays incident. This is a great game, it doesn't need to be cheapened by such actions. The response by most of the pro's says it all. Well its within the rules etc etc its within the rules.... all I can think is there are a lot of Traffic wardens commenting on this particular thread! 

[brokenbat]

People need to understand what backing up is!

Backing up is not "stealing yards" but getting on the move so you're ready to go if called through for  a quick one.

The incident in question the guy was on the line, surely you don't think he was trying to "steal" 1cm, maybe 2cm?? This is a poor state of affairs. The rule needs to be there to stop batsman taking the p*ss, but this was just a extremely weak way of finishing the game.

I honestly cant see how people can condone todays incident. This is a great game, it doesn't need to be cheapened by such actions. The response by most of the pro's says it all. Well its within the rules etc etc its within the rules.... all I can think is there are a lot of Traffic wardens commenting on this particular thread! 

Lets go with this.. If the guy were to go for a quick single and then be found "on the line" while trying to complete the run, would he be out? Yes, he would. In this day and age 1 or 2 cm can make all the difference between out and not out, and so stealing that extra cm DOES have a material impact. What you are referring to, was true in an age where umpires would only give someone out if he was well short of his crease, but that doesn't apply anymore.

I agree that this would be a heartbreaking way to lose, and if I were the guy getting out, I'd be gutted, BUT I wouldn't feel like the other team was cheating or breaking the spirit of the game.

[ppccopener]

presuming you cannot 'steal' anything by accident, the batsman here would of been in his crease had the bowler completed his bowling action, the fact that he didn't made the batsman out of time with the bowler and over the crease by about 1 CM.

the only way he could 'steal' advantage was by knowing the bowler was going to mankad him in advance and there fore change his movements to be over the line by 1 CM

some comments on here beggar belief

[Karlo84]

Well said @ppccopener

its all about intention...

The batsman was not trying to steal any ground (surely everyone agrees with that, infact you have to, if the bowler carried on through his action at full speed he would have been in his crease on the point of delivery so theres no argument there....surely(?)(!))

The bowler was looking for that, it wasn't a reactive measure. Now because the bowler was looking for it to end the game, to me, makes it a lot worse. If he was looking for it to warn him then fair enough, but there was an intention to finish the game in that way. And that to me and many many many others is just plain wrong.

[ProCricketer1982]

Well said @ppccopener

its all about intention...

The batsman was not trying to steal any ground (surely everyone agrees with that, infact you have to, if the bowler carried on through his action at full speed he would have been in his crease on the point of delivery so theres no argument there....surely(?)(!))

The bowler was looking for that, it wasn't a reactive measure. Now because the bowler was looking for it to end the game, to me, makes it a lot worse. If he was looking for it to warn him then fair enough, but there was an intention to finish the game in that way. And that to me and many many many others is just plain wrong.

Trouble with intention is you can't prove it so yiu can't have that in the laws, needs to be black and white.

1cm is 1cm, stay in your crease . Of course the bowler was looking for it, and anyone doing it is. Batsmen need to react to each n in, not just assume it's going to be normal pace.

[cricketbadger]

common sense should have prevailed and umpires stepped in to sort the situation

Unfortunately not, and it seems plenty on here also lack common sense.

[Karlo84]

I think the ICC need to sort this asap. My suggestion would be to abolish the rule that can leave such a sour taste in the mouth and leave it up to the umpires. If they feel the batsman is gaining an unfair advantage they will in first instance warn them and in second instance deduct the batting side 5 runs. Lets not forget that a batsman runs the risk of being run out after the facing batsman hits a straight drive and the bowler gets a finger nail on it (which we seem to see more and more of).

I dont think the reaction of the WI team has helped the situation either. It's a spineless way of winning a game of cricket.

[ProCricketer1982]

common sense should have prevailed and umpires stepped in to sort the situation

Unfortunately not, and it seems plenty on here also lack common sense.

Where is the common sense to not walk when you nick it?
Claim a catch when you know it's not?
Appeal for a lbw 'just in case'
Appeal for an lbw 'you never know'
Appeal for an lbw from fully when you have no idea if it's close ?
Sledging ?
Leaving your crease before the ball is bowled?
Intentionally getting between ball and stumps when running ? (Yes there is now a law but we all know no one applies it 99.9% of the time)

All acts that are against the spirit of the game so when I see most of the people moaning about this stop doing this I'll support no mankadi g

[ProCricketer1982]

I think the ICC need to sort this asap. My suggestion would be to abolish the rule that can leave such a sour taste in the mouth and leave it up to the umpires. If they feel the batsman is gaining an unfair advantage they will in first instance warn them and in second instance deduct the batting side 5 runs. Lets not forget that a batsman runs the risk of being run out after the facing batsman hits a straight drive and the bowler gets a finger nail on it (which we seem to see more and more of).

I dont think the reaction of the WI team has helped the situation either. It's a spineless way of winning a game of cricket.

 No more spineless than sledging ?
No more spineless than stealing runs through the game to win?

All acts are spineless unless you believe it's acceptable (like people believe sledging is, or appealing every time it hits pads, or not walking. When nicking it etc)

[Karlo84]

Can you honestly tell me you would be happy if your team went through to a final like that?

Infact, would you do it? would you be the guy who mankad-ed someone? if not, surely youre being hypocritical?

[brokenbat]

Where is the common sense to not walk when you nick it?
Claim a catch when you know it's not?
Appeal for a lbw 'just in case'
Appeal for an lbw 'you never know'
Appeal for an lbw from fully when you have no idea if it's close ?
Sledging ?
Leaving your crease before the ball is bowled?
Intentionally getting between ball and stumps when running ? (Yes there is now a law but we all know no one applies it 99.9% of the time)

All acts that are against the spirit of the game so when I see most of the people moaning about this stop doing this I'll support no mankadi g

people need to respond this point raised by @ProCricketer1982 or stop talking about the issue. I would fully support someone who complains about all of the above AND mankadding, but people here seem to be perfectly fine with everything else. which, is inconsistent.

[ProCricketer1982]

Can you honestly tell me you would be happy if your team went through to a final like that?

Infact, would you do it? would you be the guy who mankad-ed someone? if not, surely youre being hypocritical?

Have I ever done it? No
Have I warned someone? Yes

Do I watch the batsmen and tell the bowlers if they leave their ground?? Yes, because it could be the difference in a run out or all through the game and the team gains 20/30 runs maybe..

Would I be happy mankading?? Yes if they leave their ground they are stealing runs. Umpires as well intentioned as they are, are useless and we all know they do nothing to stop sledging, stealing mm,cm or m's.. So there is no point crying about how they should control things etc. It needs a law and that law needs to be black and white..

Aka, do not leave your ground until the ball has left the hand. Anything else and you are in fact cheating