Topic: which cricket ball, dukes intertional or sg test match / sf test (Read 19381 times)

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:14:10 AM »

Quote from: Cover_Drive on March 04, 2016, 04:41:41 AM

Unfortunately there is no international cricket in Pakistan but domestic T20 has Kookaburra Turf while first class has Grays ball.

I have noticed a difference in SG Test red and white one. Both are harder than Kookaburra Turf, however, I am still amused how SG Test is used for Indian test/first class games. It seems like a harder ball, thinner leather, not very prominent seam and gets very soft after use. SG Test flies off the bat, making it so pingy!

England and West Indies use Dukes while India uses SG Test and rest use Kookaburra Turf.

hi thanks for the reply. i might just buy 6 of sg test balls, at �12.33 each for a test ball i cant go wrong. the sf is the same or similar standard, however not an official test ball, and from the pics it looks a touch lighter. so i might get 6 of these as well. it should play the same but just has a lighter look.

if i can get my hands on a kookaburra test ball might get a few of these as well. why not

Kez · « **Reply #31 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:20:20 AM »

Got a Kook turf in white (as its used in LA and ODI in the UK) and a Dukes Special County (the test/ fc balls).

Both very good optkons, the sound they make even when tapping bats is great!

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:25:04 AM »

Quote from: Vitas Cricket on March 04, 2016, 10:33:33 PM

The key thing to consider before making sweeping statements such as the above, is that all the reputable manufacturers make very good balls, they also all make mid range and budget balls. To simply describe dukes as brilliant or tiflex as rubbish is a little short sighted. What model from the range was it? Or perhaps a more relevant question, what model did the league/manufacturer conspire to tell you it was? It's rife in cricket I'm afraid, a ball gets approved by a league, everyone likes it, the price season after season goes up, and after a while they simply issue a lesser ball hoping/assuming no-one notices and pocket the extra cash. Often it's distributed amongst the decision makers via brown envelopes and everyone in charge is happy with the status quo even if the clubs are screaming blue murder about poor cricket due to poor balls. I can't tell you the number of times we've unashamedly been asked for a Bung when discussing providing balls to a competition

Branding also has a huge impact. A long time ago now we took 3 local bowlers and batsmen all playing top level cricket and had them net together for a couple of hours, constantly asking for feedback on the various balls we gave them. The plain unbranded ball fared so so, the traditional cricket ball manufacturer branded ball fared the best and the Asian branded ball fared the worst, so poor they actually questioned why we had even asked them to test it. All balls were the same ball made by the same manufacturer.

Me personally, we use the top tiflex ball in our Saturday league and it's the best ball I've ever played with, unsurprisingly I've seen a lot of balls ( @FattusCattus this ones for you mate ) so I'm fairly well informed on the subject. Going back to what I mentioned earlier; on Sunday's we use a Readers ball and it is pants. It used to be decent but has clearly been replaced by a lower model in the range. Doesn't shine, doesn't swing, loses shape, nothing about the ball helps batters or bowlers

Hi thanks for the detailed reply. interesting points!

Vitas Cricket · « **Reply #33 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:27:44 AM »

Quote from: Cricketfan99 on March 09, 2016, 12:14:10 AM

hi thanks for the reply. i might just buy 6 of sg test balls, at �12.33 each for a test ball i cant go wrong. the sf is the same or similar standard, however not an official test ball, and from the pics it looks a touch lighter. so i might get 6 of these as well. it should play the same but just has a lighter look.

if i can get my hands on a kookaburra test ball might get a few of these as well. why not

If it's �12 it's not going to be a test match ball

We can supply the kookaburra turf (test match) ball, but it isn't cheap!

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:40:58 AM »

Quote from: Leno on March 04, 2016, 10:41:39 PM

In the Northants league we use dukes and they are very durable and look like that have only been used for 10 overs after 50

Hi thanks for the reply; can you confirm which model of the dukes is it, as they have about 20

the test one has rrp �90 and sells for �70 from morrant. its probably not this one.

the next level below is the dukes international ball selling as said �20 a ball

then I think morrant do another ball called the dukes royal county a. rrp �40 selling for �22.99 . when i called morrant they said this was better ball then the readers soverign special rrp �35 but selling for �25. i asked them why does it have a higher rrp and lower selling price. they said they get a better deal from dukes so can pass on the savings to the customer.

also lorimers do the dukes crown prince selling for �22. they told me its the same ball as the dukes international. i asked them how do they know, they said dukes can make balls for some retailers and put different branding on (exactly) the same ball, this helps the retail shop sell the ball for cheaper and get the name of the shop out and also dukes balls are being sold in the process. but dukes don't tell the public this, as it will effect the sales of the ball they also sell on their website. e.g. if customers knew they could get the same ball cheaper then they won't buy the original branded ball, and it could effect sales. this caused me confusion so iv ordered one dukes international ball from lorimer and lets see how it turns out.

dukes also said that people up north prefer darker balls and down south prefer lighter balls. hence i can see why they will have different shades of the same (interior) built ball. hence difference names for the same ball but with different darkness red. this will mean many more balls but essentially some of them are the same with just minor differences such as colour...

they (dukes) also said their ball the dukes international, and a few more were better then the readers sovereign special (rss) as thats what their customers tell them. this was a week or two ago so i cant remember the exact words. but basically they had many balls which were better then the rss and at a better price also.

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 09, 2016, 12:43:36 AM »

Quote from: Vitas Cricket on March 09, 2016, 12:27:44 AM

If it's �12 it's not going to be a test match ball

We can supply the kookaburra turf (test match) ball, but it isn't cheap!

the price for the sg ball is on the website of online stockist and they say its test match standard. �135 for 12. + 13pp. i guess if i pay by paypal i have money back guarantee.

how much is the kook turf ball? it will be much more expensive because of the cost of manufacturing in australia / england compared to the vv cheap labour of india?

skip1973 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 09, 2016, 01:38:18 AM »

Cheap materials as well, rock hard centres. Kooka turf balls are about $110 au per ball.

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:08:24 AM »

Quote from: Cover_Drive on March 04, 2016, 04:41:41 AM

Unfortunately there is no international cricket in Pakistan but domestic T20 has Kookaburra Turf while first class has Grays ball.

I have noticed a difference in SG Test red and white one. Both are harder than Kookaburra Turf, however, I am still amused how SG Test is used for Indian test/first class games. It seems like a harder ball, thinner leather, not very prominent seam and gets very soft after use. SG Test flies off the bat, making it so pingy!

England and West Indies use Dukes while India uses SG Test and rest use Kookaburra Turf.

Thanks for the reply

and the info on the construction and play of the sg balls. Lets see how i find them.

i hope for cricket and pk crickets sake there is INT cricket again soon in pk. T20 shows more countries are playing cricket so it can only be good.

As long as the sg and the sf feel good of the bat, (and not damage my bats) thats all i care. As for the thinner leather. i hope they are not cutting corners (economically) and its to favour the harder hitting batsman or something like that. It is a test ball so it has to be good / exceptional i guess.

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:15:39 AM »

Quote from: skip1973 on March 09, 2016, 01:38:18 AM

Cheap materials as well, rock hard centres. Kooka turf balls are about $110 au per ball.

thanks for the reply also.

Sorry which ball exactly is " Cheap materials as well, rock hard centres", the sg? sf? (i know some of the asian balls are like that but they are cheaper lower end stuff, which I'm not going to get, been there done that... they do swing a lot!!! ) as for sg and sf; cant possibly be (cheap and rock hard?) , if its test match

110au thats about �58 , i rather get a dukes or readers for 70 and 65 in that case as it from uk as well.

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:23:13 AM »

Quote from: hanif on March 04, 2016, 11:26:04 PM

I completely agree the comments regarding the readers cricket balls. We use the readers sovereign ball and it does not swing feels hard. It will seem around for 10 overs then the seem goes soft and the ball loses its shape and does very little.

thanks hanif.

your right id expect the readers to retain their shine for longer and offer the conventional swing bowler more but they do wear down quick and basically you have to seam it to get something back.. but overall they are ok, if your opening up and in england they so still swing... i know indoors they do... its best to practice with old balls and then in a match the new ones seems to do more... but the trick is to also practice with the new ball (from time to time) and learn to control it, as its easily to forget how to swing the ball.. if your always using old nasty balls that favour the reverse swing.. or go bolt straight as your speed is not high enough.

(or no one else in the team bothers to shine or look after it the way the pros do.

iv listened to an interview where atherton said in one of his series, they tossed up and akram won the toss all three times in favour of the readers ball (as it would reverse more, hence favour the pak attack) but atherton would have chosen the dukes (as it would have favoured his conventional swing england attack) . makes sense that readers wear down fast. To reverse swing the ball, we need pace... which most of us don't have !!! 90mph+

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 10, 2016, 03:56:22 AM »

Quote from: Chad on March 04, 2016, 08:30:37 AM

The Tiflex balls are very high quality in my opinion, definitely the best ball I've ever used! Not sure what grade it was again, but I think it was the 2nd best one. I think the Tiflex Magna is a decent ball too, had some pink ones and no issues with them other than folk knicking them!

nice. ill have to have a look at tiflex. looks good on the website. cheers.

Cricketfan99 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 10, 2016, 10:52:18 PM »

Quote from: SteffanLangholz on March 04, 2016, 08:52:58 AM

Just received a bulk buy from Nathan at tiflex. Can't say more than they look the part.. And I've tried the sg from OLS, and didn't grow fond of them.

Tiflex has 3 grades, t20 (nets ball) 50 overs and the test version.

The magna, the Windsor and the test - which by Nathan's call should be able to challenge the mighty kookaburra turf. They even have a subcontinent style coming later this spring. I can give you Nathan's mail if you like.

hi thanks for the reply. the info is handy.

i would only be after the tiflex oxbridge grade 1 balls. rrp about �70. not sure how much nathan can sell them for. ill ask him, if you have his email to give.

whats the subcontinent ball, how would it differ? just more hard wearing? more pronounced seam?

one thing i don't get is why the subcontinent teams use the kook, the ball looks perfectly round. the seam on it is just for deco in my view. made by machine so its bound to be all consistent. it far too much favours the batsman and the game nowadays has turned to a baseball version. the shorter versions are drifting too much in favour of the hitters. crowds love it, new non cricketers are captured by it, but really there has to be a balance between bat and ball the good old english way. ??

skip1973 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 10, 2016, 10:58:07 PM »

Test balls are hand stitched.

SteffanLangholz · « **Reply #43 on:** March 11, 2016, 12:10:07 AM »

Kookaburra reg vs a magna from tiflex

Seem is broader on the kookaburra. Not as high..

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tejasapatel · « **Reply #44 on:** March 11, 2016, 12:53:11 AM »

You are better off considering CA Super Test as its a better ball than both SF Test and SG test. Do not go for anything like CA test star as its not great.

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