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[well past my peak]

Hey Guys, wishing to tap into the wealth of knowledge on the forum.
I have a theory which may help, but thought get some feedback first.
One of the players I coach is a 18 year old Batting allrounder. Who's batting has really taken off but his bowling has really taken a back seat only bowling in a handful of games but bats at 3/4.
He wants to bowl more as he did in his junior games, simply to enjoy the game more. I know we can all appreciate how frustrating batting can be  and it's all nice to be able to have a bowl in those games when you miss out.

So his bowling Leftarm meds strengths which I always like to focus on is he is a big strong lad about 6'4, pretty sharp, bowls a nice length.

His weakness is like many young quicks is lateral flexion and his wrist position (outside the line), these faults causing him to just push the ball across the RH bat, losing pace and obviously no chance of swing it ball in which you would hope for in a leftarmer.

I have help him with the usual drills used to fix the faults eg intervention poles, resistance bands, which has made some improvement however remembering that his batting is his focus, he doesn't want to take hours away from his batting training so he is looking for a quick fix.
So my solution  simply bowl around the wicket.
My Theory as a lefty bowling over to the a RH bat and then trying to get of the danger zone, all those angles are very difficult to work against when trying to achieve our prefer action.
Whereas when he bowls around the wicket to the RH bat those angles actually help achieve the desire outcome and he actually is starting to bend it back in which is a indication to me that the wrist position has improved.
My suggestion to him is to stick with for a season or two giving him time to groove the action then if he wishes start to come back over the wicket and bending it back.

Ok so my question are they any negative outcomes from running on this?

[Buzz]

Just bowling round the wickets will take out a lot of dismissal possibilities. No lbw for example.

I am not a bowling coach normally, but look through the stuff Ian Pont talks about and that will help. It is unlikely to just be his wrist at fault. Does he, for instance, have a strong braced front leg? Quite often if the front leg collapses the bowler can fall over a bit and lose control.

One for the bowling coaches though.

[well past my peak]

 thanks Buzz no his front leg is not collapsing

Just bowling round the wickets will take out a lot of dismissal possibilities. No lbw for example.

No it will bring lbw into the equation, he is a leftie coming around.

[edynamo]

Have you got any video footage of him?

[edge]

One of my best mates/bowling partner in crime is a similar sounding left arm seamer, he doesn't swing it much but cuts it away very well - with the result that over the wicket to the right handers hebeats the bat a lot but rarely threatens the stumps. I got him bowling round the wicket more often towards the end of last season and it worked well, got him threatening more modes of dismissal more of the time, so I'd recommend it as an option for sure. Not all the time, but it's a good way to bring a different threat in when a batsman's dealing with the left arm across well. Definitely agree that it's easier to swing it in from around so makes sense as a practice method too.

[FattusCattus]

I'm a left arm round the wicket bowler (no mention of what pace here), and I can swing it quite a bit. However, by changing to this angle and the fact he doesn't swing it much, he'll need to develop a ball that can go away from the right hander a little bit.

I'm lucky in that because I swing it quite a bit, the straight ball outside off stump becomes a variation, he may have to look at a cutter.

Other than that, the old 'rudder' mentality may help him swing it - ball held in the tips of the fingers along the seam, wrist cocked directly behind it and ball flicked down and backwards on the point off release to keep it dead straight through the air.

[Buzz]

If a left arm bowl is from round the wicket the ball would have to move miles for an lbw to be out. The angle makes it almost impossible to bring that dismissal into the game. The batsman has to be hit in line and the ball hitting the stumps.

Learning to bowl round the wicket is important, but correct the action to bowl over the wicket first.

[FattusCattus]

Ahem - I think you'll find that some innocuous dibby-dobblers can make this happen to mesmerized, confused batsmen!

[Buzz]

Ahem - I think you'll find that some innocuous dibby-dobblers can make this happen to mesmerized, confused batsmen!

They are about as common as wide mouth frogs in the vicinity of a crocodile...

[smilley792]

Have to agree with buzz, if around the wicket is gonna bring lbw into play, he must be moving it alot!!

[FattusCattus]

Ribbit

[well past my peak]

I guess it's about increasing his chance of a dismal, when bowling over to R/H  there is very small chance of lbw as he doesn't swing in back, for him to be hitting off stump the ball is pitching outside leg, however when he bowls around the wicket which seems to improve his falling away and wrist position it does bend, pitches outside off hitting the pad inline with off and crashing into middle/leg, so if you like just following the natural swing of his arm.

[JB]

I'm a left arm bowler and much prefer over the wicket. I get the ball to swing away from the right handers more easily than I can get it to swing in. What I find when I bowl around is that if you have someone batting who is decent off their pads they simply walk across and play you through the legside. As buzz has rightly said, this presents very little risk of dismissal by lbw to the batsmen

[well past my peak]

I'm a left arm bowler and much prefer over the wicket. I get the ball to swing away from the right handers

interested to know JB you as a leftie with that angle do you ever get lbw's???