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[Silver Bullet]

Simple Question: For those who have splurged, was your purchase of Pro, Low Density Willow Worth it ? I am closing in on retirement age, and really tempted to see how I'd bat with a Davey Warner sized Kaboom or an Uzi Khawaja monster. But those bats are at least 2.5 times what I currently spend on bats. For those that do purchase G1+ low density willow, is there a massive difference in terms of performance ?

And before anyone chips in, I have already spent all I can on coaching.

[Bats_Galore]

Difficult question. I think they are amazing bats, I have 3, a Warner copy, an SS, and a BAS that are all supposed to be pro willow for what that is worth. I wouldn't part with any of them, but can I say they are better than my custom bats, that are generally 1/2 the price, probably not. They feel different, but the performance of them is excellent but not necessarily better.

[Seniorplayer]

Without a doubt why because  pressed for maximum performance more  wood of a lower density gives increased performance
Therefore more value for your shots.

[Mel Jessop]

Grade of willow has no real relavance to how a bat plays, that is in the skill of the bat maker and quality of handle, yes you may get a bigger bat due to density etc, but will it play better not necessarily, I currently have a H4L Devil that is graded 3/4 it plays as well as any g1 bat I've owned or used.

[procricket]

Good old pro willow I guess I have quite a few low density in the last few years.

Low density is no better bar for the mind for bats.

It creates the illusion of power and there nothing wrong in that.

For me a bat is a bat get one that suits you more than what it is supposed to be or not be.
I have a couple of pro bats including a match used James Taylor which goes like anything and picks up like anything and feels great but it's 2-11 and extremely well balanced.

top pro get there pick the rest end up with grade 2 normally and bumped up bats.

About pressing well if there not "batch pressed" then a skilled person can get something out of most bits of timber.

I have had bats with over 30 grains and bats with only 5 I have had dense clefts and I have had light clefts.

You alone can only make a judgment on a bat

[tushar sehgal]

Not sure I will call it pro willow but when my trusted batmaker or brand tell me a certain bat or cleft is phenomenal i tend to spend the little extra as i trust them and haven't been disappointed so far...but that level of trust is only with very very few brands

[procricket]

Pro willow is that what I pick my old haunt let me pick but I tended to let them as long as it was from a certain pile I have everything from grade 4 to  crown immaculate And guess what I scored runs with all

[Silver Bullet]

Good old pro willow I guess I have quite a few low density in the last few years.

Low density is no better bar for the mind for bats.

It creates the illusion of power and there nothing wrong in that.

For me a bat is a bat get one that suits you more than what it is supposed to be or not be.
I have a couple of pro bats including a match used James Taylor which goes like anything and picks up like anything and feels great but it's 2-11 and extremely well balanced.

top pro get there pick the rest end up with grade 2 normally and bumped up bats.

About pressing well if there not "batch pressed" then a skilled person can get something out of most bits of timber.

I have had bats with over 30 grains and bats with only 5 I have had dense clefts and I have had light clefts.

You alone can only make a judgment on a bat

So are you saying an 80mm+ Spine does not guarantee better performance than a 60mm spine ? I would've thought it would.

[bk]

Think its all in the head. When I was young I had a few G2 bats which ex-pros would borrow and smash hundreds with at will. They were well knocked in but I didn't have the timing or power to do what they did. I guess if you're used to e.g. G3 blades then a G1 will make a small difference but the reality is that a G2 will go just as well in the right hands.....


Of course a G1 will always look better - so you should probably buy one and post pics here

[Kulli]

So are you saying an 80mm+ Spine does not guarantee better performance than a 60mm spine ? I would've thought it would.

Why?

[procricket]

So are you saying an 80mm+ Spine does not guarantee better performance than a 60mm spine ? I would've thought it would.

Why would a massive bat play any better than a bat smaller but more weight behind it.


I'm telling you I know it doesn't both theory and practical side of things tell me this too.

you sound surprised it has been on the forum explaining this for around 4 years have a look through some threads

[bk]

The physics is simple - F=MA where power (F) is a product of the (M)ass of the bat and the (A)cceleration of the shot at impact. Bigger bats make no difference to the calculation but bat design will have an effect on the exact mass affecting the ball at impact and the speed of bat swing. This is where design comes in. I suppose the perfect bat for a club player would be a flat plank with a duckbill and thin toe and splice. This would help maximise the MA calculation by allowing for off centre shots. It would probably lead to a few broken bats as well. I think the B3 Series DB2 is a really good compromise of putting this into practice.


Pros don't hit the ball off centre as much which is why a huge spine, big edges and concaving work better for them. For the rest of us it might make you feel more confident but that's probably it.

[bk]

The physics is simple - F=MA where power (F) is a product of the (M)ass of the bat and the (A)cceleration of the shot at impact. Bigger bats make no difference to the calculation but bat design will have an effect on the exact mass affecting the ball at impact and the speed of bat swing. This is where design comes in. I suppose the perfect bat for a club player would be a flat plank with a duckbill and thin toe and splice. This would help maximise the MA calculation by allowing for off centre shots. It would probably lead to a few broken bats as well. I think the B3 Series DB2 is a really good compromise of putting this into practice.


Pros don't hit the ball off centre as much which is why a huge spine, big edges and concaving work better for them. For the rest of us it might make you feel more confident but that's probably it.

Should add that I think the B3 Series DB2 is a great example of a design that helps maximise this calculation. Lots of meat through the middle, minimal concaving and a reduced toe and splice which still provide strength. Picks up great, too.

[procricket]

1271 is the pinnacle of the point and coverage of wood is important and agreed you need wood all over because we are club players who hit the ball all over the place on the bat as said earlier

[liscon12]

A crown willow Trott and you're laughing, it's deffo next on my list.