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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2016, 06:32:00 PM »

I play in the Worcester league the travel  since the restructure now involves great distances fourth team game tomorrow is an 120 mile round trip with mainly under 15s also the restructure has help kill off Sunday cricket due to the time and travel now required on Saturdays.

See, we have more travel on Sunday's sadly due to less teams being around. We travel upto 90 mins now for decent Sunday games (our view of decent is good grounds rather than caring about quality.. No one wants to play on dumps even if it's 'high quality ')
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2016, 09:48:42 PM »

The Warwickshire league is split after division 7 in to East and West Divisions. Only downside is generally only one side from 8 east and west can go into div 7. Although i understand a new structure may happen next season.
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2016, 01:24:51 PM »

This was put on our League website and we have been asked to give feedback on it etc...

Will be on interest to any forum members playing in HCPL, TVL, Cherwell, Chiltern, Berks League and that area etc...

http://4ccl.play-cricket.com/website/web_pages/118530

click on - 'Two Valleys League Proposal'

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2016, 03:05:25 PM »

This was put on our League website and we have been asked to give feedback on it etc...

Will be on interest to any forum members playing in HCPL, TVL, Cherwell, Chiltern, Berks League and that area etc...

http://4ccl.play-cricket.com/website/web_pages/118530

click on - 'Two Valleys League Proposal'


It would be nice if, over the winter, they released what division each club would be in based on this season's standings just so clubs have a better idea of where they'll be and how it works should this be implemented for the 2018 season.
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2016, 07:36:09 PM »

I play oca and mentioned these proposals to a few over the weekend, one of which was an umpire assessor on the league committee , but no one has heard about it?
Might ruffle a few feathers if different rules are introduced etc
The Cherwell rules are a big bugbear

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2016, 09:57:54 AM »

I play oca and mentioned these proposals to a few over the weekend, one of which was an umpire assessor on the league committee , but no one has heard about it?
Might ruffle a few feathers if different rules are introduced etc
The Cherwell rules are a big bugbear

From what I've heard the TVL could be the biggest obstacle to this proceeding. Should this happen, then hopefully the TVL will agree to expand again so that clubs in the Chilterns/Berks leagues can at least apply to become a member of the TVL. I know that my club is currently on a waiting list but we reckon they won't expand for at least another 2-3 years because of the current proposal.

I'm surprised, and slightly worried too, that the guy on the OCA's committee is unaware of the current proposals. I would imagine that the OCA would be represented in these discussions so could it be that he's either trying to keep it secret or he just hasn't been to many committee meetings and hasn't read the minutes?

I believe a final draft is being published in August with the aim of it being voted on in September/October this year.

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2016, 11:47:03 AM »

From what I've heard the TVL could be the biggest obstacle to this proceeding. Should this happen, then hopefully the TVL will agree to expand again so that clubs in the Chilterns/Berks leagues can at least apply to become a member of the TVL. I know that my club is currently on a waiting list but we reckon they won't expand for at least another 2-3 years because of the current proposal.

I'm surprised, and slightly worried too, that the guy on the OCA's committee is unaware of the current proposals. I would imagine that the OCA would be represented in these discussions so could it be that he's either trying to keep it secret or he just hasn't been to many committee meetings and hasn't read the minutes?

I believe a final draft is being published in August with the aim of it being voted on in September/October this year.

I would be VERY surprised if this gets through a TVCL AGM in its current state.

The HCPL and TVCL has been seen as the 'gold standard' by some over the last few years and I would think there would be some fairly strong opposition to this proposal from some quarters.

I would also think some of the progressive clubs would see this as a step back from where they are right now.

However, who knows really until this is ratified and something solid is proposed.
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2016, 04:12:08 PM »

Hi all,

A friend of mine who plays in the TVL posted this on FB yesterday.

http://m.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/14497792.Cricket_in_Berkshire_could_be_set_for_a_major_revamp_under_new_proposals/

I played in the TVL for a long time when i was younger and find it hard to believe a league as old and well run would want to do something like this.

However, i also know that the league i now play in - the 4 counties - has been asked to also do something very similar in forming a new pyramid with the Cherwell and surrounding leagues etc...

So i have 2 questions -

1. Is this a country wide thing that the powers that be are trying to do?
2. What are everyones thoughts on it? etc...


Hi all,

Was wondering if anyone had heard anymore about the new 2 Valleys League proposal?

I know the TVL had their AGM a couple of weeks ago, was anyone there or know if it was discussed etc...?

We have our club AGM tonight so am hoping to get some news as our 4 Counties League AGM has also just happened.

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM »

Hi all,

Was wondering if anyone had heard anymore about the new 2 Valleys League proposal?

I know the TVL had their AGM a couple of weeks ago, was anyone there or know if it was discussed etc...?

We have our club AGM tonight so am hoping to get some news as our 4 Counties League AGM has also just happened.

There is an agenda item on the Berkshire Cricket League AGM next Monday (5th Dec) regarding the league's engagement and progress with the TVL, so if that's the same subject matter, we might know a little more following that meeting, but I've heard nothing recently I have to say.
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2016, 02:20:29 PM »

at our club AGM last night our 1st team captain said that he was given a hand out at the 4 Counties League AGM showing a further progression of the proposal where various divisions of the various leagues could fit into the new tiering of the new 2 Valleys League.

He also said that there are still discussions ongoing but they would still like it to start in 2018 if possible.

Personally it sounds like progression has been made but at a slow pace (like a lot of these things) and if they want it to start in 2018 they would have to get it voted in by the start of the 2017 season - as that seasons placings would decide everything.

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2016, 07:18:50 PM »

From what I've heard the TVL could be the biggest obstacle to this proceeding. Should this happen, then hopefully the TVL will agree to expand again so that clubs in the Chilterns/Berks leagues can at least apply to become a member of the TVL. I know that my club is currently on a waiting list but we reckon they won't expand for at least another 2-3 years because of the current proposal.

I believe a final draft is being published in August with the aim of it being voted on in September/October this year.

The original post links to one of the worst pieces of journalism I've seen.

I was at the TVL AGM recently and the proposals discussed do not reflect that at all.  The idea is more about making for one clear pathway to the top of the recreational game - and that involves a small expansion of the stronger leagues such as the TVL with sides moving over from the likes of the BCL and Chilterns.  Interestingly, those leagues are amenable to their clubs progressing up the structure.

Having player TVL for over fifteen years, I have to say it is one of the best managed leagues out there - the travel issues that Nick mentions were raised by clubs a few years back and there was a quick efficient response to regionalise lower divisions.  There have also been sensible moves to shorten the days at the bottom end of the structure.
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2016, 10:53:45 PM »

Just skimmed over the thread, is it just me that actually doesnt care how far the game is? Id rather start earlier as all i do is waste my time doing nothing in the mornings!

Our league is restructuring, but forst half of the season is regular, 2nd half is a change but you only lose 3 overs if your in divs1-5. So timings cant be an issue with the East Sussex League

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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2016, 08:59:33 AM »

Restructuring the leagues is critical to getting the better 25-35 year old continuing their cricket and by increasing this pool you will improve the younger players. As the better adults drop out of cricket their talent, experience and energy goes with them which is a loss to the sport. To improve is see two starting points;

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To make cricket more successful it needs to become more family friendly. Football and Rugby, at what ever standard, is finished by 6. In the winter you can be a bit late to a family or social event yet still participate in a social life outside of sport in the evening. There will be the odd game that people have to travel for, especially if you go through the leagues, but you accept that if it's the exception rather than the rule at most levels.

Cricket needs to focus on making better more rounded people not club-men who spend every waking hour at the club, you will get those anyway, the ones you lose are the people who have families or outside commitments that cricket can not accommodate due to such a unsociable finishes.

T20 isn't the answer, over rate will only improve it to a minor extent and it must be enforced- which is unfair on the umpires or volunteers. The problem of "too many cancellations" will be mitigated if cricket is a more social sport, for players and their families, to be involved in. Earlier finish times will assist this, not completely but will help it.

2. Cricket needs to have a pathway to the top - the Home Counties Premier League (HCPL) is a ceiling that no one can go any higher in this area. Combining the leagues is the first step to consolidate the leagues to allow cricket to become more of a national game rather than a regional game. Once this is achieve people will start to believe they can be come "the best they can be" and we could see the counties challenged by people with resources rather than the current stagnant system. Seeing an RB Leipzip come through the levels in German football is exciting. To see similar in cricket would, I believe, increase both hope, interest and funds in the sport.

Broader topic I know but cricket is struggling to keep players playing and the above a start to improving it.

@Woodyspin - agree travel isn't an issue if you have an earlier start/finish time -personally I think the finish time will have a greater impact :-)
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2016, 09:51:09 AM »

A couple of grounds mentioned - OMT and chiswick, hated travelling to both. Complete nightmare!
They have tried to split the divisions (A and B) according to distance but still get a few players refusing to travel that far to play
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Re: Leagues Re-structuring
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2016, 10:39:49 AM »

I've always wondered why cricket doesn't have a FA Cup type 20 or 50 over competition. Start with all teams in regional premier divisions, then add minor counties, then full counties.

Would give young talent at clubs a chance to play again the best and can you imagine an ECB prem side drawing a county like Yorkshire in the 3rd round, imagine the crowds and increased interest in the sport that would bring to the area.
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