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[GoodLeave]

Morning all,

Not sure where this thread would go now we dont have the IJC sponsored area, please feel free to move it.

I read an interesting article by Paul yesterday on Dead weight of bats Vs. Pick up. I was wondering how we'd go about picking bats if we knew an accurate pick up weight.

If you were a "2.10" kind of guy, would you pick a bat that has a dead weight of 2.10 but picked up 2.8 allowing you to swing harder/increase bat speed. Or, would you pick a bat that has a dead weight of 2.12 but picked up 2.10, meaning it felt the same as your usual bat, but you'd have more wood behind each shot.

Please, let's not make this another IJC hate thread, I was just referencing Paul as the author. Here's the link: http://www.itsjustcricket.news/dead-weight-vs-pick-up-what-is-most-important-in-a-cricket-bat/

[iand123]

I think it's all tripe tbh. A 2.10 bat picks up at 2.10, it's just mental perception that makes you think it's lighter, it's still a 2.10 bat

[Wickets-then-runs]

Its too subjective imo. Ive had bats that i felt picked up lighter than they weighed but mates have thought they picked up terribly. Its a bit like beauty: its in the eye of the bat-holder... (get it? Lol) 

[potzy248]

Some people think its a big thing. I recently went from a 2.8 to a 2.10 and I don't feel a difference.

I know Paul Aldred is a big fan of dead weight vs actual weight. His FB posts always state both weights.

[mdg20]

I think it's all tripe tbh. A 2.10 bat picks up at 2.10, it's just mental perception that makes you think it's lighter, it's still a 2.10 bat

Not sure it's tripe, bats weight distribution are all different so some feel heavier than others to pick up. I agree that the whole it feels like a 2.8 is really just a guess it just picks up lighter that's all

[potzy248]

Its too subjective imo. Ive had bats that i felt picked up lighter than they weighed but mates have thought they picked up terribly. Its a bit like beauty: its in the eye of the bat-holder... (get it? Lol) 

Did you actually laugh out loud at that joke?   

[Wickets-then-runs]

Did you actually laugh out loud at that joke?   

yep! 

[edge]

If you know what weight you're comfortable with, don't stray too far from it. Couple of ounces heavier is alright with a bat that picks up well, but you're still swinging more weight than normal. Remember going through Kookaburras in a shop a few years ago when they were all ridiculously high middles and trying to find one I liked the pickup on, I normally use 2.10/11 (new, one grip, no scuff etc) and had to go up to at least 2.15 before I felt like I was holding a bat at all, at which point trying to play a cut off anyone with a bit of pace would have been a waste of time.

How subjective it is makes buying based on someone else's idea of pickup a waste of time as well, can't count the times I've picked up teammates' bats that they think pick up beautifully and thought they picked up like a pig or others picked up one of mine that I think is pretty bottom heavy and they tell me how dreamy light it is. Recently had a few people pick up a couple of my bats and tell me how they can "barely feel it, must be 2.8/9 it's so light" - the two in question are big bottom heavy bats, a Nemesis at 2.12.5 and a low middled Puma weighing almost 2.14 with the grips etc on them. Just goes to show you can't trust a random opinion on pickup, particularly someone else trying to put a number on 'feel' weight!

That said, it's a good way to sell bats! Serious case of heart v head when picking up a 3lb Warbird at Uzi, was so close to persuading myself I could use it...

[FattusCattus]

This.

Pickup and balance is such a personal thing, and I simply don't understand how people can put an accurate weight on a statement like "it's a 2.10 but it picks up at 2.8".

For me, it's a bat that weighs 2.10 that picks up a bit lighter.

[Northern monkey]

Dead weights dead weight

i won't walk out with anything over 2.9 now, because I've proved to myself, no matter how good the bat picks up, I'm just not able to play the same shots
My current match bat was an absolute gun, but weighed 2.12
I just couldn't use it, I've gradually taken weight off, and it's now at 2.8., (I did the same with my laver years ago)
I'm hitting the ball harder, and playing a wider range of shots

[FattusCattus]

Harder? Jesus wept!!

[Spanky]

Maybe I'm completely wrong but surely all cricket bats pick up heavier than their dead weight (seeing as the main mass on any bat is always away from the hands)?

So when we say a bat picks up lighter than it's dead weight, is it actually a case of the bat picking up closer to it's dead weight?

[Vitas Cricket]

I've posted about this sort of thing before if anyone wants some extra reading.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0

[GoodLeave]

I've posted about this sort of thing before if anyone wants some extra reading.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=30551.0

I think you're right Jake, a lot of this is in the mind. But Spanky is right in thinking the further the weight is from the pivot (Hands) the heavier it feels. Without making the blade shorter (Think CA), the only way to make it "Feel" lighter, is to move the weight closer to the hands by moving the amount of wood towards the handle or indeed, putting a counter-balance in the handle.

I was more interested in finding out how people go about picking thier bats, do they pick on dead weight or pick up. Personally, I'm a facts guy, so I'm going on dead weight, lighter pickup is a bonus.

[Vitas Cricket]

I think you're right Jake, a lot of this is in the mind. But Spanky is right in thinking the further the weight is from the pivot (Hands) the heavier it feels. Without making the blade shorter (Think CA), the only way to make it "Feel" lighter, is to move the weight closer to the hands by moving the amount of wood towards the handle or indeed, putting a counter-balance in the handle.

I was more interested in finding out how people go about picking thier bats, do they pick on dead weight or pick up. Personally, I'm a facts guy, so I'm going on dead weight, lighter pickup is a bonus.

Going by pickup/balance is a great way of doing it, the reason i wrote the post is because i find it very odd to assign a number/weight reading to a subjective thing like pickup.