Topic: Over rates - How would you fix them? (Read 5903 times)

alexhilly1492 · « **on:** August 12, 2016, 11:14:08 AM »

Seems like a hot topic at the minute so here we go with how i think we should fix the issue

Test cricket is sold as 90 overs a day which we struggle with so im going to relate the fix to something that is part of the T20 game and introduce run penalties for any overs not started beyond a certain time, this being the close of play for test match cricket:

As in T20 you have 75mins to bowl you overs this being in place and ready for the 20th before the clock ticks to 0 or you lose 6 runs. however with this being so bad for test match cricket i propose that any overs lost during the day for slow over rates by the close of play there is a run penalty for each over calculated at the run rate for that days play,

So if at the end of the day a side is 10 overs short but has kept the opposition down to 2 runs an over the bowling side is penalised by 20 runs for example, this however will be the same for the batting side if they are deemed to be deliberately trying to slow the over rate to gain an advantage

However if there are reasonable delays then this shall be taken into consideration also.

If a side has been bowled out during the day, the new team to bowl will have their over rate checked from the new inning starting

this is my fix its rough and needed the creases ironing out but i think it would hopefully produce exciting cricket and possibly produce more overs for day

after all we can get 100 in for county champ cricket!!

How would you fix this issue?

This should persuade teams to score at a higher rate

brokenbat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2016, 11:42:38 AM »

Well, you could also retire Sir Ian, and we'd never hear any more complaints

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2016, 11:43:54 AM »

First over lost = 5 runs to the oppo score
Second = 10 runs
Third = 15

So that's 30 runs simply for being 3 runs less in a day. There is no excuse for slow over rates. They don't need the constant drink breaks, only allow scheduled breaks and no more, no changing gloves either. It's supposed to test fitness and not being fully hydrated is part of that.

Start 30 mins earlier and finish 30 mins later if any overs are still lost to catch up (so not only do you get runs against you but you still have to bowl them and leak more). Money will do nothing as they are rich so hit them where it hurts.. In the game

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2016, 12:09:50 PM »

is that then 5 runs per over extra until the end of the day? so 4 = 20 5 = 25 etc etc?

seems a tad excessive

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2016, 12:29:51 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on August 12, 2016, 12:09:50 PM

is that then 5 runs per over extra until the end of the day? so 4 = 20 5 = 25 etc etc?

seems a tad excessive

If it's not harsh they will plainly ignore it like now though

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2016, 12:36:22 PM »

i think any run penalty would do the trick as it directly effects the game doesn't have to be massive, and the run rate idea brings it into context for every innings individually

Felix Tito · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2016, 12:56:56 PM »

ICC should firstly make it compulsory that 30 overs must be bowled in each session. And for each over not bowled on time eg morning session 11-1, a penalty of 25 runs per over not bowled in time. In the final session of the overs aren't bowled on time the umpires can't refuse to allow fielding side to take second new ball. In a close match these kinda punishments would some sort out slow over rates

dcullen8 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2016, 01:11:22 PM »

For me, its such a difficult task to manage. Introducing run fines for the bowling team will probably mean more glove changes, more drinks for the batsmen all slowing down the over rate to gain an advantage. I believe at the minute there is an official that manages the over rates & calculates the amount of time lost via "other means" such as physios, new gloves, bats, players going off the field etc ( we probably lose 3 overs a day in just reviews alone sometimes) so whilst we may only see 80 overs in a day, we could still be hitting the required rate per hour due to those losses throughout the day.

There are definitely issues, im just not too sure how you fix them in a fair and equal way

Felix Tito · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2016, 01:21:57 PM »

Well the batting side shouldn't be allowed to have drinks run out every other over or the continual need to change gloves. Batsmen can have a drink and change gloves at the designated drinks break.

dcullen8 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2016, 01:39:10 PM »

so youre going to tell someone, on a summers day, whos sweating and dehydrating they have to wait say 40minutes until the next drinks break? dont see that rule coming in somehow..

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2016, 01:51:34 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 12, 2016, 11:43:54 AM

First over lost = 5 runs to the oppo score
Second = 10 runs
Third = 15

So that's 30 runs simply for being 3 runs less in a day. There is no excuse for slow over rates. They don't need the constant drink breaks, only allow scheduled breaks and no more, no changing gloves either. It's supposed to test fitness and not being fully hydrated is part of that.

Start 30 mins earlier and finish 30 mins later if any overs are still lost to catch up (so not only do you get runs against you but you still have to bowl them and leak more). Money will do nothing as they are rich so hit them where it hurts.. In the game

@dcullen8 as above, it is test cricket! it is very very rarely so hot in england that this should be an issue, hell its rarely that hot anywhere in the world these guys cant cope in

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2016, 01:57:38 PM »

Quote from: dcullen8 on August 12, 2016, 01:39:10 PM

so youre going to tell someone, on a summers day, whos sweating and dehydrating they have to wait say 40minutes until the next drinks break? dont see that rule coming in somehow..

Yes!!! It's bloody test cricket and part of test cricket is long sessions in the heat and all that brings (dehydration leads to mistakes etc). It's all part of what should make the game harder than the slap and tickle white ball stuff. These guys won't dehydrate significantly int he short sessions cricket !! That's just scare mongering and media driven crap. 40 mins hard phys without water is perfectly acceptable and isn't hard.

Glove changes are for comfort and no other reason so should only be done at official breaks and not at wicket fall etc etc

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2016, 04:13:49 PM »

How about... Whatever the teams run rate for the day is multiplied by overs remaining?

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2016, 04:17:05 PM »

Soldiers don't get hydration breaks every 40 mins do they? Random but valid point in my book

The longest session is 2hours or so that's fine to go without drinks and same gloves. I agree with a run penalty and think the OP has it spot on penalty runs at the rate of the day. Also get rid of this 5 mins per review its there to stop bagful decisions not to see if the faintest edge can be detected

Watched the 3rd day at Edgbaston last week and got 82 overs for my �46 not great really

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2016, 04:36:02 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on August 12, 2016, 04:17:05 PM

Soldiers don't get hydration breaks every 40 mins do they? Random but valid point in my book

The longest session is 2hours or so that's fine to go without drinks and same gloves. I agree with a run penalty and think the OP has it spot on penalty runs at the rate of the day. Also get rid of this 5 mins per review its there to stop bagful decisions not to see if the faintest edge can be detected

Watched the 3rd day at Edgbaston last week and got 82 overs for my �46 not great really

During PT we didn't get drinks breaks often, once in 60 mins if we were lucky amd we were getting beasted.. Not just having a game of cricket !!

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