Topic: Borthwick to surrey (Read 10162 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #30 on:** September 14, 2016, 09:23:53 PM »

Quote from: mdg20 on September 14, 2016, 02:25:55 PM

We could field 11 Kolpak players or 11 academy graduates and the vast majority will find a reason to moan about our squad. Haters gonna hate.

Well...you could field 11 Homegrown players...or 10,9,8,7,6,5 etc...but why change the habit of a generation? You can hide behind crappy excuses like "moaning" all you like, but the facts of the matter are that Surrey have only ever bought in talent and success from elsewhere. In Yorkshire, we're proud that, England calls aside, we could field a world class side born or raised in the county. Surrey would have to recruit to field *any* xi....

mdg20 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2016, 12:12:14 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on September 14, 2016, 09:23:53 PM

Well...you could field 11 Homegrown players...or 10,9,8,7,6,5 etc...but why change the habit of a generation? You can hide behind crappy excuses like "moaning" all you like, but the facts of the matter are that Surrey have only ever bought in talent and success from elsewhere. In Yorkshire, we're proud that, England calls aside, we could field a world class side born or raised in the county. Surrey would have to recruit to field *any* xi....

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

You cant name a world class team born/raised in yorkshire that's a ridiculous notion. There isn't even a world class XI born/raised in England.
As for "only ever" bringing in talent, you are wrong, depending on how far back you want to go will depend on how big the list of Surreys England internationals will be.

The talent we have brought in mind hasn't bankrupted us to the embarrassing point were we've had to sell the contents of our museum.

Manormanic · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2016, 07:30:46 AM »

Quote from: mdg20 on September 15, 2016, 12:12:14 AM

You cant name a world class team born/raised in yorkshire that's a ridiculous notion. There isn't even a world class XI born/raised in England.
As for "only ever" bringing in talent, you are wrong, depending on how far back you want to go will depend on how big the list of Surreys England internationals will be.

Well, I was born in 1977, so lets use that as an arbitrary cut off. How many England internationals have been born and raised by Surrey in that time? I skimmed the list of test caps and found, at best, 10 (those in capitals were genuinely "born and raised" the rest less so) - BUTCHER A, BUTCHER M, STEWART, BICKNELL, TUDOR, THORPE, Jackman, Ward, Clarke, Richards. Its not a bad list, but pales in comparison to the equivalent list of players Yorkshire has produced (deep breath) COPE, BAIRSTOW D, STEVENSON, ATHEY, SIDEBOTTOM A, MOXON, JARVIS, ILLINGWORTH, GOUGH, SILVERWOOD, Vaughan, HAmilton, HOGGARD, DAWSON, SIDEBOTTOM R, MCGRATH, PLUNKETT, BRESNAN, SHAHZAD, BAIRSTOW J, ROOT, LYTH, RASHID - and thats before you consider players like Batty, Cook, Whitaker, Mallender and Rhodes who came through our youth system before being poached elsewhere.

Manormanic · « **Reply #33 on:** September 15, 2016, 07:35:51 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on September 14, 2016, 09:28:58 AM

This is garbage.
Meaker and Durbach played Colts at Guildford, Roy at Reigate all three came through the youth system. As did Batty (!) Surrey have paid for the currans (x3) to go through school and they have come through the youth system. So actually very similar to Yorkshire, plus we have Sibley, Freddie Vdb (about to leave) and many others in the 2s who have come through the youth set up (which has won the u17 cup multiple times in recent years. Fact is many saffas play in the Surrey champo (especially at Wimbledon, Reigate and Guilford, 3 of the bigger clubs.
There are also many other former colts from Surrey at other counties

With respect, you disagreeing doesn't make it any less true. That would be like me seeking to posit Gary Ballance as a product of Yorkshire because he played two seasons of Under 19s within the county (odd similarity actually, paying for a kids education as a means of poaching...)

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The difference is that Yorkshire tend to keep their colts

Thats a recent development, more or less of the Graves era. It used to be that we lost a lot of our best players because other counties could afford to poach them, and for a long time the XI we fielded would have lost comfortably to a compositve XI of Yorkshire lads at other counties.

mdg20 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:11:44 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on September 15, 2016, 07:30:46 AM

Well, I was born in 1977, so lets use that as an arbitrary cut off. How many England internationals have been born and raised by Surrey in that time? I skimmed the list of test caps and found, at best, 10 (those in capitals were genuinely "born and raised" the rest less so) - BUTCHER A, BUTCHER M, STEWART, BICKNELL, TUDOR, THORPE, Jackman, Ward, Clarke, Richards. Its not a bad list, but pales in comparison to the equivalent list of players Yorkshire has produced (deep breath) COPE, BAIRSTOW D, STEVENSON, ATHEY, SIDEBOTTOM A, MOXON, JARVIS, ILLINGWORTH, GOUGH, SILVERWOOD, Vaughan, HAmilton, HOGGARD, DAWSON, SIDEBOTTOM R, MCGRATH, PLUNKETT, BRESNAN, SHAHZAD, BAIRSTOW J, ROOT, LYTH, RASHID - and thats before you consider players like Batty, Cook, Whitaker, Mallender and Rhodes who came through our youth system before being poached elsewhere.

I wasn't comparing counties, I was saying we have produced many England players. On a side your trying to claim a bloke who came through Durham(plunkett) as Yorkshire through and through which is ridiculous. But my argument wasn't that youve never produced England players it was about the fact Surrey have.

You've also swerved the point that one of the most successful counties in the history of cricket with a test match ground and largest number of recreational cricketers than any other county(apparently) are �22m in debt and had to sell their museum collection.

You also haven't named the World Class Yorkshire XI

smilley792 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:18:15 AM »

I see this thread ended up in the realms of pathetic fast

There's a few off you that don't agree, say your piece and move on, this back and forth stuff is what's bringing the forum down.

Manormanic · « **Reply #36 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:47:15 AM »

Quote from: mdg20 on September 15, 2016, 11:11:44 AM

I wasn't comparing counties, I was saying we have produced many England players. On a side your trying to claim a bloke who came through Durham(plunkett) as Yorkshire through and through which is ridiculous. But my argument wasn't that youve never produced England players it was about the fact Surrey have.

Plunkett played all his age group cricket in and for Yorkshire, the county of his birth, and was poached from our Academy. I think thats pretty good grounds.

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You've also swerved the point that one of the most successful counties in the history of cricket with a test match ground and largest number of recreational cricketers than any other county(apparently) are �22m in debt and had to sell their museum collection.

No, I discounted it as irrelevant piffle.

mdg20 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:47:57 AM »

Surely discussion is what the whole point of the forum is? There has to be some back and forth otherwise it becomes a series of statements?

And it's always going to get a little petty at times when Yorkshire and Surrey fans come together, we are both (as a fan base) as arrogant as each other in thinking we are correct/the best

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:51:15 AM »

I think that Surrey aren't near the top and Yorkshire appear to have thrown the title away neither are the best... And this is coming from a Notts fan :/

Either way I think it's both good for Scott and Surrey, if he can get into the Surrey team that is! Also seen today Davies has signed for Somerset

Manormanic · « **Reply #39 on:** September 15, 2016, 11:52:26 AM »

Quote from: mdg20 on September 15, 2016, 11:47:57 AM

Surely discussion is what the whole point of the forum is? There has to be some back and forth otherwise it becomes a series of statements?

And it's always going to get a little petty at times when Yorkshire and Surrey fans come together, we are both (as a fan base) as arrogant as each other in thinking we are correct/the best

What he said

Difference is, Yorkshire fans are actually right

mdg20 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 15, 2016, 12:17:23 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on September 15, 2016, 11:51:15 AM

I think that Surrey aren't near the top and Yorkshire appear to have thrown the title away neither are the best... And this is coming from a Notts fan :/

Either way I think it's both good for Scott and Surrey, if he can get into the Surrey team that is! Also seen today Davies has signed for Somerset

Doesn't matter that we actually are any good or not. We just think we are

Borthwick will walk into our 1st team. I think the Oval pitches will help both his batting and leg spin though, he's got a great chance to kick on in his career.
Davies is a great signing for Somerset, fantastic player in all 3 formats on his day. Somerset fans need to prepare themselves for the frustrations of him chipping the ball to mid on/off in the 40s though.

Felix Tito · « **Reply #41 on:** September 15, 2016, 12:33:19 PM »

TBH I guess most rival fans are jealous of Surrey CCC. They have a business model in place where that generate a very health profit via ticket sales and memberships. Their probably the most marketable side in county cricket. In some ways they aren't to dissimilar to Manchester United in the footballing world. Both generate money with helps them gain the players they want. Some might think it unfair, but that's how sports go.

ppccopener · « **Reply #42 on:** September 15, 2016, 12:59:47 PM »

Quote from: Felix Tito on September 15, 2016, 12:33:19 PM

TBH I guess most rival fans are jealous of Surrey CCC. They have a business model in place where that generate a very health profit via ticket sales and memberships. Their probably the most marketable side in county cricket. In some ways they aren't to dissimilar to Manchester United in the footballing world. Both generate money with helps them gain the players they want. Some might think it unfair, but that's how sports go.

cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.

BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.

and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.

There....I've got that off my chest

up the middle !! sex sex sex

Felix Tito · « **Reply #43 on:** September 15, 2016, 01:04:01 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 15, 2016, 12:59:47 PM

cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.

BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.

and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.

There....I've got that off my chest

up the middle !! sex sex sex

C'mon everyone know Somerset are gonna be champions 😉

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #44 on:** September 15, 2016, 01:15:23 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 15, 2016, 12:59:47 PM

cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.

BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.

and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.

There....I've got that off my chest

up the middle !! sex sex sex

And membership is much cheaper! I live in noth London, but watch Surrey. It takes me only slightly longer to get to The Oval than it does to Lord's. I go pretty regularly, but still cosider Northants 'my team' because I grew up watching them.

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