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[uknsaunders]

Steve Smith? 

Played as a bowler who could bat a bit!

[ppccopener]

one day players in test cricket work... look at warner

You and Glenn McGrath bowl bowl medium pace. Same game different game.

Bit quicker when walking wicket pads up I grant you. 

[Seniorplayer]

Michael Vaughan is just a pathetic click bait merchant these days. Genuine rent a quote.

Cook has effectively resigned already, he doesn't need the captaincy anymore.

Whoever takes over, I assume Root, will have a very stable starting point for the summer...
Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

Bayliss needs to up his game or let his number 2 step up.

But there isn't a lot to change.

India have a better team than us right now, which is light years better than us at home.

Having a rant about everything is a waste of energy. Results will get better, confidence will return and results will improve.

This is a tough tour, that happens.

Agree  when we get to July 2017  by the start of the tests this tour will be nothing more than a memory the players will be revigorated and ready to go. Hopefully England will have a fit mark wood  in the team who is a far better bowler than Woakes and a good bat  low down the order.

[Woodyspin]

You and Glenn McGrath bowl bowl medium pace. Same game different game.

Bit quicker when walking wicket pads up I grant you. 

hahaha, he asks for it i swear!

[roco]

Michael Vaughan jumps on any bandwagon he can, he also doesn't tend to use stats very well, picked Gary sobers in his best ever ODI XI despite him playing one ODI

To be fair on that one as he is the greatest cricketer ever I bet he would still have been awesome and would have figured it out pretty quick

Viv never played t20 but by god he'd be a good bet in them

[Seniorplayer]

Michael Vaughan jumps on any bandwagon he can, he also doesn't tend to use stats very well, picked Gary sobers in his best ever ODI XI despite him playing one ODI

Gary sobers  the greatest cricketer I've seen play  in my lifetime surely the greatest all rounder  of all time.
Will always remember him hitting Nash for six sixes in one over

[northernboy1987]

. Hopefully England will have a fit mark wood  in the team who is a far better bowler than Woakes and a good bat  low down the order.

@Seniorplayer in Woakes-bashing shocker 

[iand123]

To be fair on that one as he is the greatest cricketer ever I bet he would still have been awesome and would have figured it out pretty quick

Viv never played t20 but by god he'd be a good bet in them

I wasnt doubting Mr Sobers talent at all

[Calzehbhoy]

I still don't get the anti-Woakes sentiment! In the last 12 months he's pretty much on par with Jimmy (Stats below) I've also added Broad for comparison.

Woakes
  M    I      O          W         SR       E
(13   25   363.2   42      26.07   3.01)
Jimmy
M      I      O          W         SR       E
(12   21   394.1   41        23.73   2.46)
Broad
M       I      O          W         SR       E
(14   26   464.4   51        24.49   2.68)

While also averaging 28.66 with the bat.

What more do you want from your Bowling all rounder?

[Seniorplayer]

@Seniorplayer in Woakes-bashing shocker 

Well I stand by the post when you just come in trying to sweep  ashwin from outside off stump over midwicket and then trying to drive  against the spin and getting bowled wasn't smart cricket when you have Buttler the other end.

[ppccopener]

I still don't get the anti-Woakes sentiment! In the last 12 months he's pretty much on par with Jimmy (Stats below) I've also added Broad for comparison.

Woakes
  M    I      O          W         SR       E
(13   25   363.2   42      26.07   3.01)
Jimmy
M      I      O          W         SR       E
(12   21   394.1   41        23.73   2.46)
Broad
M       I      O          W         SR       E
(14   26   464.4   51        24.49   2.68)

While also averaging 28.66 with the bat.

What more do you want from your Bowling all rounder?

woakes ins't going to do much on these wickets, but neither has Anderson..apart from wind up the opposition, and neither really has Broad

all our seamers are doing part of the holding job we would expect decent spinners to do. But we don't have anyone to tie down an end.

Of the lot of them Ball and Broad are just as likely to get wickets as anyone else, apart from Rashid who, far as I know, has got the most of everyone 

[Seniorplayer]

I still don't get the anti-Woakes sentiment! In the last 12 months he's pretty much on par with Jimmy (Stats below) I've also added Broad for comparison.

Woakes
  M    I      O          W         SR       E
(13   25   363.2   42      26.07   3.01)
Jimmy
M      I      O          W         SR       E
(12   21   394.1   41        23.73   2.46)
Broad
M       I      O          W         SR       E
(14   26   464.4   51        24.49   2.68)

While also averaging 28.66 with the bat.

What more do you want from your Bowling all rounder?

Wickets and runs  in this series would be a good place to start.  Also Averages can be misleading you shouldn't keep getting selected on the back of one decent summer against opposition who were poor at times.

[ppccopener]

interesting stuff in interview from Kholi. not the most humble of cricketers it must be said   

however......he says Indian and Asian batsmen are always rated on how they do in English conditions especially, but flip the coin and English players don't get the same comparison as being judged on spinning tracks

he def has a point...  don't think there's many who would not say Ponting was not a great batsman, didn't score any runs in the sub continent.

[tate035]

Well I stand by the post when you just come in trying to sweep  ashwin from outside off stump over midwicket and then trying to drive  against the spin and getting bowled wasn't smart cricket when you have Buttler the other end.

You are spot on about Woakes but you could say Root, Cook, Rashid and Moen have thrown their wickets away at the wrong time on more than one occasion since the last test against Pakistan.

For me India have just out thought England. Their top 5 hardly given their wickets away and the tale has stuck around and batted intelligently...
Simples...

[ppccopener]

You are spot on about Woakes but you could say Root, Cook, Rashid and Moen have thrown their wickets away at the wrong time on more than one occasion since the last test against Pakistan.

For me India have just out thought England. Their top 5 hardly given their wickets away and the tale has stuck around and batted intelligently...
Simples...

yep.....exactly

you cant argue with @Seniorplayer Woakes has not had a good series. the runs lower down are missing and no penetration with the ball. It's just about the same with everyone else. I would still have him in the side perhaps where we differ.

But people are allowed a different opinion...after all it's a forum

 

and what makes it great. Reports of our  death are greatly exaggerated haha