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[Felix Tito]

Woakes has been one of England's best players this year.

It seems extraordinary that people are saying he is a luxury. And yet I am not surprised.

We are 2 days into a test match with runs on the board let's wait a bit before we start dissing the team for once.

Woakes has been one of England's best players in English conditions...Bangladesh and India aren't in England

[Biggie Smalls]

Basically , here's the deal  - everyone chill out and have a biscuit . You might be able to tweak the team a little bit , a player here or there , but essentially it's a bloody good side you've got . You have a legit chance of beating India in India after all ! And even if you don't it won't be all bad . Just accept players ( particularly pacemen ) having some bad days over there without calling for their heads . I mean , geez , dropping Woakes ? .... are ya freal ? If you don't want him then send him over here to Oz - we'll swap you for M.Marsh , Enriques, Christian,  Stoinis , a first round draft pick , and a Michael Jordan rookie card .
Seriously,  just hold tight with the nucleus of your team ....you'll be glad you did next year when you smash us in the Ashes .

[Seniorplayer]

Agreed with Buzz. Woakes has been great this season and its unreasonable to question his spot already.

Definitely need some patience here. 

He probably won't play in the next test  unless theirs  injuries as the wicket is a a known turner and Broad bowls better when he as Jimmy  opening with him as for the future if he can stay fit Mark wood is a  far better bowler.

[wasted_talent]

He probably won't play in the next test  unless theirs  injuries as the wicket is a a known turner and Broad bowls better when he as Jimmy  opening with him as for the future if he can stay fit Mark wood is a  far better bowler.

Well that could depend on what he does here. He may take a few wickets and get a score 2nd dig

[Alvaro]

Woakes has been one of England's best players in English conditions...Bangladesh and India aren't in England

How do you expect players to get better in foreign conditions if they don't play?

[WalkingWicket37]

He probably won't play in the next test  unless theirs  injuries as the wicket is a a known turner and Broad bowls better when he as Jimmy  opening with him as for the future if he can stay fit Mark wood is a  far better bowler.

Your hatred towards Woakes seems to make you blinkered in your opinions of him.

No, he hasn't been amazing so far in the subcontinent, but you won't learn how to bowl in these conditions if you're carrying the drinks.
He's a genuine all rounder and has shown what he can do at Test level in England. Let him learn on the job in conditions less friendly to the bowlers. Jimmy Anderson has said himself he had to learn how to bowl differently in subcontinental conditions to how he does at home, and he's turned out an okay bowler. I'm confident that, given the chance, Woakes can do the same.

[ppccopener]

Basically , here's the deal  - everyone chill out and have a biscuit . You might be able to tweak the team a little bit , a player here or there , but essentially it's a bloody good side you've got . You have a legit chance of beating India in India after all ! And even if you don't it won't be all bad . Just accept players ( particularly pacemen ) having some bad days over there without calling for their heads . I mean , geez , dropping Woakes ? .... are ya freal ? If you don't want him then send him over here to Oz - we'll swap you for M.Marsh , Enriques, Christian,  Stoinis , a first round draft pick , and a Michael Jordan rookie card .
Seriously,  just hold tight with the nucleus of your team ....you'll be glad you did next year when you smash us in the Ashes .

loving this post. can't remember are ya freal was posted on here. brother i'm HEEEEERIN YA DUDE   

[Felix Tito]

How do you expect players to get better in foreign conditions if they don't play?

Some players have it, others don't. Woakes unfortunately doesn't have the extra gear that comes naturally to other players. And it's not just foreign conditions, when it flattens out in England he goes back to being toothless.

[smilley792]

Just waiting for the

"Drop woakes he only made 4" post............

I was not disappointed. We just put 500 plus on and have only bowled 23 overs and we are already wanting to drop and change players.

The English are fickle.

[northernboy1987]

I was not disappointed. We just put 500 plus on and have only bowled 23 overs and we are already wanting to drop and change players.

The English are fickle.

I'm still surprised Stokes wasn't dropped against Bangladesh after the first Test, threw away a ton and a Michelle in Chittagong, only 100 runs and 6 wickets by a seamer on a low scoring, raging bunsen. Then conveniently scores a ton on a road today to keep his place for another few tests.



 

[petehosk]

In the past we have not had the luxury of having high class players waiting to get a game....Ball, Jimmy!
So it seems to be that people want changes because we seem to be trying to fit in too many players.

I have always said that Ball looks great and would be an obvious substitute for Broad. Woakes will hopefully learn the craft in these different conditions, especially with the likes of Anderson by his side.
It does a little complicated if Anderson is fully fit for the 2nd Test though! With 5 Tests in a short space of time, they have already talked about legitimately rotating players! So do you look at Anderson playing and resting Broad? Or do you look at resting Woakes? Also will Ball and Batty get a match? I would love to know what the plans are! 

[ppccopener]

In the past we have not had the luxury of having high class players waiting to get a game....Ball, Jimmy!
So it seems to be that people want changes because we seem to be trying to fit in too many players.

I have always said that Ball looks great and would be an obvious substitute for Broad. Woakes will hopefully learn the craft in these different conditions, especially with the likes of Anderson by his side.
It does a little complicated if Anderson is fully fit for the 2nd Test though! With 5 Tests in a short space of time, they have already talked about legitimately rotating players! So do you look at Anderson playing and resting Broad? Or do you look at resting Woakes? Also will Ball and Batty get a match? I would love to know what the plans are! 

Broad had a rest in Bangladesh but yes it's got to be huge odds against 5 tests in a row we don't rotate the seamers especially. Stokes was cramping up today you can't over estimate the conditions we are in

it must be draining bowling in that heat all day, and if they bat well, 2 days in the field.

if Jimmy A comes back....hmmm tricky who to leave out. Jake Ball is real good, should of played instead of Finn in Bangla.

Woakes in when Jimmy is on the sidelines could send the forum into a tailspin 

[WalkingWicket37]

Some players have it, others don't. Woakes unfortunately doesn't have the extra gear that comes naturally to other players. And it's not just foreign conditions, when it flattens out in England he goes back to being toothless.

What Woakes does have though, is a drive to better himself and an excellent work ethic!

Remember when he was "too slow" for Test cricket? He went away, worked hard and put on a yard of pace.
remember when he'd initially put on that yard of pace, but lost the ability to swing the ball? He worked on his game and gained the ability to move the ball at pace.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Woakes is a talented cricketer who's not afraid to put the hard yards in. Give him the chance to develop and he'll grow into an asset to the side in all conditions. He's already proved me right in England, so I'm going to say he'll come good abroad before too long.

[ppccopener]

He was too slow, but he's not now.

I don't quite get the downer on Woakes on the forum, he's improved massively. He's got to share the workload in India and that's part of the team, i'm sure he knows that.

Some cricketers are stars and stand out or a bit flash(broad/swann/KP) and some others do a job for the team.

I think Woakes is the latter and would not be surprised to see him in the wickets in this match or soon enough.

On flat decks, really flat decks, a lot of bowlers look a bit ordinary...

only the absolute cream of the bowlers do well on flat decks in Asia. If it don't swing Jimmy A looks a bit up and down. You wouldn't leave him out of the team.
 

[Seniorplayer]

Your hatred towards Woakes seems to make you blinkered in your opinions of him.

No, he hasn't been amazing so far in the subcontinent, but you won't learn how to bowl in these conditions if you're carrying the drinks.
He's a genuine all rounder and has shown what he can do at Test level in England. Let him learn on the job in conditions less friendly to the bowlers. Jimmy Anderson has said himself he had to learn how to bowl differently in subcontinental conditions to how he does at home, and he's turned out an okay bowler. I'm confident that, given the chance, Woakes can do the same.

Not hatred or blinkered Cam just want England to  do well I know what I saw this morning  there can be  no excuse   for  bowling short to give India the start they wanted.