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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #330 on: November 14, 2016, 10:39:18 AM »

quite right Buzz

Kholi is exceptionally talented, he's also a touch arrogant shown in his post match interviews..England were the only team going to win the 1st test

BUT.......I've no doubt the next wicket will turn big and that's a different challenge for us

For my money England's spinners looked better than India's in the first test, I'm not sure a turning wicket would be as big an advantage to India as it might appear. I think a lot of Kohli's success as captain comes from winning a lot of tosses at home, bat first bowl last.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #331 on: November 14, 2016, 11:16:18 AM »

best ive seen Rashid bowl for sure.

moeen and Ansari had decent control too....was very unconvinced about Ansari, seen him bowl in a couple of County matches and he was very average...but left arm spin he is doing a job. I think potentially his batting is better than his bowling, he's a classy bat.

But Haseeb settling in was a real plus- he looks the part(so far)

India bully teams at home, I suspect we are about to get a raging turner..but whatever happens they won't be bullying us.
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« Reply #332 on: November 14, 2016, 11:38:42 AM »

I think the first test was an even affair.
You have to remember England had the better of the conditions. And did very well.
But India under scoreboard pressure still batted very well in that first innings.

I think the true tests lay in wait.
I would like to see England win the next toss, on a turning wicket. And then see how the game pans out.
I do feel if its a turner, and India win the toss. England wont be able to win the game.
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« Reply #333 on: November 14, 2016, 11:51:07 AM »

I think the first test was an even affair.
You have to remember England had the better of the conditions. And did very well.
But India under scoreboard pressure still batted very well in that first innings.

I think the true tests lay in wait.
I would like to see England win the next toss, on a turning wicket. And then see how the game pans out.
I do feel if its a turner, and India win the toss. England wont be able to win the game.

Very true.

It's going to be very difficult for England to win if we don't have advantages (the toss) and things go our way.

India need to sort out their openers, Ghambir was just a stop gap I think...the regular guy (raul ?) is fit again.

rahane, kholi,vijay and ashwin are all quality, and Pujara is excellent.

it's def going to get harder for England. We are playing pretty well thou.  :)
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #334 on: November 14, 2016, 11:52:35 AM »

On a raging Bunsen, the toss is a huge advantage, one that England, as well as they did here, would struggle to overcome.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #335 on: November 14, 2016, 11:55:30 AM »

On a raging Bunsen, the toss is a huge advantage, one that England, as well as they did here, would struggle to overcome.

I think im right the next one is the ground against NZ it went big on day 1. I can't believe we are not going to face exactly the same.


our spinners did bowl well thou.Rashid especially
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #336 on: November 14, 2016, 11:56:30 AM »

if englands spinners bowl how they did in the first test even on a turning wicket i thk theyll bowl just as well as indias spinners, and a massive confidence boost for the batsmen was keeping ashwin to 3 for 230 odd (rough figures) for the best in the world id have expected better than that even on a relatively flat wicket first up
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #337 on: November 14, 2016, 11:59:50 AM »

I think im right the next one is the ground against NZ it went big on day 1. I can't believe we are not going to face exactly the same.


our spinners did bowl well thou.Rashid especially

yes next game is at Vizag , which is a ragging turner from day 1!
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« Reply #338 on: November 14, 2016, 12:04:53 PM »

Every credit to the groundsman for preparing that wicket. It's a long time since a wicket has been prepared that DIDN'T benefit the winner of the toss.
The pitch had something in it early on then was a good batting wicket for 3 days. A few taken catches (India)  and perhaps some more positive batting (England) on the final morning then there probably would have been a result..

I am sure Indian normality will be back for the 2nd test and whoever wins toss will win within 4 days...
Was impressed with the majority of our bowling although Captain Cook is still too negative at times..

As for the batting.. Stokes continues to show he is a fast learner and this test has to be the 1st test I have seen in 30 years where our batsmen have NOT played spin by lunging the big front foot forward trying to smother/block the majority of an over with their hands and bat miles away from their bodies..


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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #339 on: November 14, 2016, 12:07:11 PM »

"I am sure Indian normality will be back for the 2nd test and whoever wins toss will win within 4 days..."

That is the million dollar question. As am not convinced if England win toss, that they will win the game. We will have to wait and see... !
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #340 on: November 14, 2016, 12:11:49 PM »

Vizag will definitely turn from ball 1 - in the recent India vs NZ ODI - India bowled NZ out for 79 and Mishra took 5/18 and Patel took 2/9

The toss will be crucial in this one i know our spinners really bowled well and in theory out bowled theirs but the true test will come if we lose the toss on a turner.

With regards India's opener situation (someone mentioned) - Raul is playing domestic cricket at the moment to prove his fitness for the 3rd Test (as India picked their squad for the 1st 2 tests) and scored a very easy 76 in the 1st dig apparently.

What does everyone think we will do with our side - will Jimmy come in? if so for who?
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #341 on: November 14, 2016, 12:15:07 PM »

Vizag will definitely turn from ball 1 - in the recent India vs NZ ODI - India bowled NZ out for 79 and Mishra took 5/18 and Patel took 2/9

The toss will be crucial in this one i know our spinners really bowled well and in theory out bowled theirs but the true test will come if we lose the toss on a turner.

With regards India's opener situation (someone mentioned) - Raul is playing domestic cricket at the moment to prove his fitness for the 3rd Test (as India picked their squad for the 1st 2 tests) and scored a very easy 76 in the 1st dig apparently.

What does everyone think we will do with our side - will Jimmy come in? if so for who?

right...well we are expecting a Bunsen and we are going to get one  :) we are away....no complaints

I don't think jimmy is going to be risked this game. There's no one really to drop. Butler is on the sidelines no sign of him playing anytime soon.

we don't need anymore spinners in the team, or do we??

I don't think we do...but if we need 4 does Woakes drop out?
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #342 on: November 14, 2016, 12:16:45 PM »

I think England will keep the same side...


And India possibly may look at 2 changes. Gambhir out for Rahul...

Mishra out for a recognised batsmen, Nair?

As India may back a 4 man attack to do the business on a turning wicket. And look to strengthen batting instead.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #343 on: November 14, 2016, 12:49:11 PM »

i actually think both sides will be unchanged.

i don't think England will risk Jimmy..... the only possibility would be if Stokes really is knackered and if he can't bowl then things would need to change.

India is an interesting one though as Gambhir looked really out of nick but Rahul's domestic game doesn't finish till Wednesday so i can't see him playing. As for Mishra i think he will play as the pitch is going to really turn and they trust Ashwin to bat at 6.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #344 on: November 14, 2016, 01:07:25 PM »

If its a bunsen burner India will play the extra batsmen. Kohli said the only reason they played 5 bowlers was because the wicket a bit green.
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