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[FattusCattus]

I'm going to say, give Duckett at least one more test ahead of picking Butler. Stick with the boy, show him a little faith and see if he can repay you, don't be so quick to jettison him.

I am utterly unconvinced that Buttler will score more than him in a test match situation anyway.

I would however look at Ansari's position - he doesn't look well or fully fit (lots of back clutching). He's being picked as a front line spinner, which he isn't. Pick a front line spinner from your squad.

[CrickFreak]

Funny how lot of posts are all about Hameed and Duckett as if England lost because them....
I feel Cooks, Roots, Bairstows of the team have to step up and lead by example just like KP and Cook did last time. And spinners have to be more effective. If Indian dressing room is asked who you would not like to face, I am sure they would all say Jimmy. Rather its should be the spinners if England were to put up a fight...
If the experienced batters dont step up and spinners dont improve, England will continue to sink in this series. I doubt if it will make any difference if Duckett is replaced or not.

[jamielsn15]

Cricinfo reporting that buttler will play as a specialist batsman for duckett. I'm not one to usually criticise the selectors and I've said it before - they were hasty in selecting he same players for India as Bangladesh. Seemed the easy option when many players struggled in a tied series.

Definitely a batsman light...

[ppccopener]

Cricinfo reporting that buttler will play as a specialist batsman for duckett. I'm not one to usually criticise the selectors and I've said it before - they were hasty in selecting he same players for India as Bangladesh. Seemed the easy option when many players struggled in a tied series.

Definitely a batsman light...

we are only a batsman light because Balance was not in any form during the summer and still made the tour, Duckett was untried pretty much as is Butler in test cricket.....

so yes...selection had a flaw in it.

i'm not sure who else they would of picked if Balance was left out of the original squad to be honest. If you think we need some experience the only player one I can think of is Bell

and it's a bit early to set the forum off !!  Bell seems to split opinion just like KP....

 

[Seniorplayer]

Funny how lot of posts are all about Hameed and Duckett as if England lost because them....
I feel Cooks, Roots, Bairstows of the team have to step up and lead by example just like KP and Cook did last time. And spinners have to be more effective. If Indian dressing room is asked who you would not like to face, I am sure they would all say Jimmy. Rather its should be the spinners if England were to put up a fight...
If the experienced batters dont step up and spinners dont improve, England will continue to sink in this series. I doubt if it will make any difference if Duckett is replaced or not.

All Duckett didn't score any runs England lost because they were outplayed

[Manormanic]

For England to win in India at the moment they need everything to go their way - they need the toss, to perform at their best when India underperform, and a bit of luck with the weather (more or less the same as India would need to win in England really).  We aren't doing badly, all things considered.

I watched some footage of Duckett yesterday and on reflection, there is a definite technical flaw in his defence.  He plans to stay leg side of anything the off spinner bowls and hook his defence rather than defend down the stump  to stump line.  That method was fine in Bangladesh, where the wickets were raging bunsens, but on Indian wickets which turn inconsistently he hasn't got a natural answer to the will-it-turn-or-won't-it conundrum.  He'd do well to look at how Hameed and Bairstow have decided upon different but very decisive methods of playing that allow them time to adjust to the ball.

[Buzz]

Agreed, his hips also open up which stops him being able to adjust. It relies on hand eye co-ordination and great hand speed. Both of which he has, but on a Bunsen that isn't enough.

Playing spin is tough, but when it is spinning the key is to try and smother the ball as it pitches when it is full or playing back as far as possible and play it if you need to as late as possible with your weight over the ball (not stepping away through the shot). Watch how Kohli plays it. you also have to use the width of the crease as well as the depth.

Duckett's method isn't allowing him to do this. But it isn't hard to change. I am staggered he hasn't sorted it already to be honest.

[ppccopener]

Bayliss says Duckett has worked harder than anyone else at his game the last 2 months

We have coaches out there, they have to do their job thou right?

a player at 22 is very rarely the finished article. Duckett has bags of natural talent.

Ramprakash is the one to help him, technically maybe the best of his generation

England need to get busy and start working with him....it's no good having a few throw down now and again

[Manormanic]

I doubt he will have played on wickets like these before - you say bunsens but actually they're not, not like the two in Bangladesh, where everything spun markedly.  Instead, you've got a broken up wicket, where the ball might or might not deviate in four directions at any one time, with no standardisation involved.

Hameed played very deep in his crease, and kept his hands low.  Bairstow looked to get right forward or right back early.  Both looked at home...

[six and out]

Agreed, his hips also open up which stops him being able to adjust. It relies on hand eye co-ordination and great hand speed. Both of which he has, but on a Bunsen that isn't enough.

Playing spin is tough, but when it is spinning the key is to with smother the ball as it pitches or playing back as far as possible. Watch how Kohli plays it. you also have to use the width of the crease as well as the depth.

Duckett's method isn't allowing him to do this. But it isn't hard to change. I am staggered he hasn't sorted it already to be honest.

this is the bit that puzzles me the most Buzz - with all the help (video etc...) and coaching they have out there, how has he not seen this and corrected it or at least showed signs of it.

[Vitas Cricket]

this is the bit that puzzles me the most Buzz - with all the help (video etc...) and coaching they have out there, how has he not seen this and corrected it or at least showed signs of it.

Because he like so many young players currently just sees spin (having only ever faced dibble in the UK rather than proper spin on a sandpit) as latin for 10 an over. Adjusting that mentality rather than technique is what will take time.

[Calzehbhoy]

I know it's more of a patch job than a complete fix but if he moved to an Off Stump guard surely when he triggers to leg and it turns it'll be missing the stumps?

[Manormanic]

doesn't really work because the issue is more about the limited insection between the plane of the ball from the right arm round bowling and that of his stroke.

[Felix Tito]

Buttler should only be consider as a number 6 or 7. I don't buy this he will go out and smash it nonsense. Looks good when the odd ball flies into the crowd but looks village when your stumps get rearranged

[ppccopener]

Buttler should only be consider as a number 6 or 7. I don't buy this he will go out and smash it nonsense. Looks good when the odd ball flies into the crowd but looks village when your stumps get rearranged

yes.....I think what will happen is bairstow moves up and Butler...presuming England pick him which looks likely.... will go in at 7 or maybe 8 depending on where Woakes bats....

I think (we) are going to gamble it comes off. Bayliss likes Butler and the way the one day guys play.......