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[wasted_talent]

Its been disappointing this test match

I said earlier, I would like to see England win the toss and then see how well India cope. But englands first innings total was below par. And India have come good to be fair.

Also, I mentioned I am not sure about England selecting a 3rd spinner for the sake of it. Both Batty and Ansari haven't looked threatening or aren't really bowling with enough control. England perhaps have missed a trick here with their selections.

[ppccopener]

Its been disappointing this test match

I said earlier, I would like to see England win the toss and then see how well India cope. But englands first innings total was below par. And India have come good to be fair.

Also, I mentioned I am not sure about England selecting a 3rd spinner for the sake of it. Both Batty and Ansari haven't looked threatening or aren't really bowling with enough control. England perhaps have missed a trick here with their selections.

yes.....I think England would be better playing to our strengths, so the extra seamer in and two spinners

that would also reduce the woakload on stokes and Anderson...

you also have to factor in India are superb players of spin

[FattusCattus]

Turning pitches or not, unfortunately I think India are better as an entire XI in these conditions than we are. Their spinners are better on these flat surfaces, enough of their batting comes off all the way down on these decks to book in for steady runs.

Our batters struggle to knuckle down and our spinners lack control.

Whilst we are falling a bit short, there are some bright spots - Bairstows batting, the emergence of Stokes as a true all-rounder and Rashids wicket-taking abilities.

Sadly I think we are just not a strong enough XI to take India on in India yet.

Figures may prove me wrong, but my gut feel is that Cook and Root have been inconsistent with their runs, Moeen is not penetrating enough and a little fast and loose with the bat to be in the top 5. Anderson and Woakes seem very steady in these conditions, but lack the wicket-taking ability of Yadav and Shami.

We're not terrible, but it's a tough old battle here.

[wasted_talent]

Do agree with most of those sentiments.

I did think England would fair better than NZ for example in these conditions. And I guess they have (first test)...

Look forward to seeing how India get on away. As its been known for a long time they are formidable at home. But away is where their true test awaits.

[ppccopener]

Turning pitches or not, unfortunately I think India are better as an entire XI in these conditions than we are. Their spinners are better on these flat surfaces, enough of their batting comes off all the way down on these decks to book in for steady runs.

Our batters struggle to knuckle down and our spinners lack control.

Whilst we are falling a bit short, there are some bright spots - Bairstows batting, the emergence of Stokes as a true all-rounder and Rashids wicket-taking abilities.

Sadly I think we are just not a strong enough XI to take India on in India yet.

Figures may prove me wrong, but my gut feel is that Cook and Root have been inconsistent with their runs, Moeen is not penetrating enough and a little fast and loose with the bat to be in the top 5. Anderson and Woakes seem very steady in these conditions, but lack the wicket-taking ability of Yadav and Shami.

We're not terrible, but it's a tough old battle here.

Spot on there Cat

do you think that's why England wanted to give Balance as many chances as possible to get runs? because they know he can stick around amounst the stroke players we have

[six and out]

Turning pitches or not, unfortunately I think India are better as an entire XI in these conditions than we are. Their spinners are better on these flat surfaces, enough of their batting comes off all the way down on these decks to book in for steady runs.

Our batters struggle to knuckle down and our spinners lack control.

Whilst we are falling a bit short, there are some bright spots - Bairstows batting, the emergence of Stokes as a true all-rounder and Rashids wicket-taking abilities.

Sadly I think we are just not a strong enough XI to take India on in India yet.

Figures may prove me wrong, but my gut feel is that Cook and Root have been inconsistent with their runs, Moeen is not penetrating enough and a little fast and loose with the bat to be in the top 5. Anderson and Woakes seem very steady in these conditions, but lack the wicket-taking ability of Yadav and Shami.

We're not terrible, but it's a tough old battle here.

couldn't agree more with the Cat, this is pure and simple a case of we haven't done ourselves justice but India are ridiculously strong on home turf and haven't let us.

you have to remember India are unbeaten at home in 16 Test matches since 2012

when India came to England last we won 2 tests by an innings and one by over 250 runs

the true test of a great Test Cricket side these days is the ability to win series away from home

[Seniorplayer]

Turning pitches or not, unfortunately I think India are better as an entire XI in these conditions than we are. Their spinners are better on these flat surfaces, enough of their batting comes off all the way down on these decks to book in for steady runs.

Our batters struggle to knuckle down and our spinners lack control.

Whilst we are falling a bit short, there are some bright spots - Bairstows batting, the emergence of Stokes as a true all-rounder and Rashids wicket-taking abilities.

Sadly I think we are just not a strong enough XI to take India on in India yet.

Figures may prove me wrong, but my gut feel is that Cook and Root have been inconsistent with their runs, Moeen is not penetrating enough and a little fast and loose with the bat to be in the top 5. Anderson and Woakes seem very steady in these conditions, but lack the wicket-taking ability of Yadav and Shami.

We're not terrible, but it's a tough old battle here.

Lacking  in wicket taking  is a an understatement Woakes hasn't taken a wicket  inc this one in his last 3 tests .

[edge]

Lacking  in wicket taking  is a an understatement Woakes hasn't taken a wicket  inc this one in his last 3 tests .

Come on now, that's just not true! Take those blinkers off.

[ppccopener]

it is an amazing record India have at home


and event he most passionate England fans would not say we are a great side. Good yes, not great.

I think we are doing ok.....yes we are not batting long enough and that's our problem, the bowlers are doing a good job. We got 20 wickets in the last test.

we need to hang in there and battle a bit more thou.

[smilley792]

Lacking  in wicket taking  is a an understatement Woakes hasn't taken a wicket  inc this one in his last 3 tests .

You got any thoughts on anyone/anything else? As we lost the last test to, and woakes didn't even play in that.

[smilley792]

We have a decent squad. But we are lacking in application.

Root and cook have not been consistent enough.

Ali is not a top 5 batsmen.

We are an extra batsmen short this tour(duckett and ballance seem mentally shot)

Our seam bowlers seem unfit.



Yes our spinners lack control of the Indians, and it's shown more on the pitches that seem to have a lack of turn.

Both before and currently everyone seems intent that all pitches will be raging turners. And have put all concentration on that. Both from a batsmen and bowlers point of view.


India have been clever here, England have a few half decent spinners, and on raging burners could cause issue.
So they've created non turningnpitches  so their better and far more experience spin attack can dominate the games. 

[edge]

Bother before and currently everyone seems intent that allnptiche will be raging turners. And havebout all concentration on that. Both from a batsmena and bowlers point of view.

Eh?

I think if England played at the top of their game we'd stand a decent chance of beating India away. Anything short of that and in their home conditions they're on top. England certainly not embarrassing themselves out there, but could do better. More top order consistency being the main issue for me.

[csnew]

So if Hameed is injured, who's the next cab of the rank?  Who's the best player of spin - no point calling someone who can bat on green tops yet clueless against spin. Recall for alex hales or bell?

Batty and ansari have been extremely poor, would be tempted to call up another spinner or play an extra batsmen given it's the batting that's under performing. Then again England have batting all the way down as it is

[edge]

Jennings or Gubbins most likely, or perhaps Billings.

[alexhilly1492]

by all accounts billings is a cracking player of spin so hed be my call and bat him in the middle order as for opening i think you have a choice of root/duckett/ansari.

No i know what you'll say about ansari however he does open for surrey on occasion and i feel at the top of the order would be the best place for him to bat as he can knuckle down and isnt just looking for quick runs/batting with the tail and i think we can all agree hes a better bat than 9/10/11