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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1095 on: December 08, 2016, 11:22:22 AM »

Unfortunately, only Thorpe and Lamb have been able to play that type of sweep in last 30 years...☺☺
I do think though just like Kohli and Steve Smith can't play the moving ball, English batsmen don't play the sweep were they are getting on top of the ball.. Its something you don't see them practising as most see them see the sweep as an offensive shot that should clear the boundary, rather than a shot that can be used to milk singles and two's whilst putting the spinner off his line.
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Thorpe lamb and  now Jennings
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1096 on: December 08, 2016, 11:40:26 AM »

Thorpe lamb and  now Jennings

I was impressed with him once he got over his nerves. I have a funny feeling though that he may have mastered the art of sweeping on a bouncy pitch whilst he was growing up in South Africa (same as Lamby). Sure also his dad is well thought of as a coach..
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1097 on: December 08, 2016, 01:02:26 PM »

Vaughan has(when hameed is back) jennings at 3 and root back to 4..
Jennings has only played one game but like hameed does not look out of place..
That line up makes us look a bit more solid,someone has to give way in the team but maybe that line up looks better going forward?
Not sure moving Cook would be beneficial...
All of a sudden we have openers!!  :)
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1098 on: December 08, 2016, 01:08:39 PM »

Not sure what people's reasoning is moving Cook to 3? I mean he's only scored 10,000 runs batting 1/2
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1099 on: December 08, 2016, 01:25:32 PM »

Vaughan has(when hameed is back) jennings at 3 and root back to 4..
Jennings has only played one game but like hameed does not look out of place..
That line up makes us look a bit more solid,someone has to give way in the team but maybe that line up looks better going forward?
Not sure moving Cook would be beneficial...
All of a sudden we have openers!!  :)

the person to give way would either be Butler - as Mo would drop back down to 7 or Rashid if you felt you wanted a longer batting line up etc...

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Mo
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1100 on: December 08, 2016, 01:27:04 PM »

Not sure what people's reasoning is moving Cook to 3? I mean he's only scored 10,000 runs batting 1/2

his average and strike rate is better when he bats at 7 though.. i think @WalkingWicket37 posted stats earlier in this thread about him opening/at 3 and lower down to prove he can bat at 3
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1101 on: December 08, 2016, 01:42:29 PM »

Not sure what people's reasoning is moving Cook to 3? I mean he's only scored 10,000 runs batting 1/2

I think the reasoning is that as he has got older he may benefit from batting at 3 whilst also being able to concentrate on the captaincy. I am no expert but I would be interested in seeing his averages for the first 75% of his international career and then for the final 25% and see if there is any variation / decline to warrant moving him down the order.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1102 on: December 08, 2016, 01:54:28 PM »

the person to give way would either be Butler - as Mo would drop back down to 7 or Rashid if you felt you wanted a longer batting line up etc...

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Mo
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

6 bowlers??  For a game in the UK??  Could drop Mo, or more likely Rashid, for another batsman.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1103 on: December 08, 2016, 02:02:31 PM »

I think the reasoning is that as he has got older he may benefit from batting at 3 whilst also being able to concentrate on the captaincy. I am no expert but I would be interested in seeing his averages for the first 75% of his international career and then for the final 25% and see if there is any variation / decline to warrant moving him down the order.

im not sure whether Cook wants to carry on skippering, but as a batsman he could, form permitting and presuming he does not want to go off and work on the farm, play for another....4 or 5 years?

Gooch did it and he's very much in the same mould....

whether he still has the desire and is batting well enough in a year or so's time no one knows.

but potentially he could play for quite a while yet.....

personally I think he will play as a batsman only after next years Ashes
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1104 on: December 08, 2016, 03:34:29 PM »

the person to give way would either be Butler - as Mo would drop back down to 7 or Rashid if you felt you wanted a longer batting line up etc...

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Mo
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

Buttler give way ? He could well be the next England Captain..
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1105 on: December 08, 2016, 03:43:35 PM »

the person to give way would either be Butler - as Mo would drop back down to 7 or Rashid if you felt you wanted a longer batting line up etc...

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Mo
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

I could go with that xi in all conditions as covers all bases and having a 7 8 9 of mo woakes Rashid gives you batting depth

mo becomes what he has always been a batsmen who bowls a bit of spin rather than the front line spinner then if he doesn't get the runs butler comes in or whoever as 7 is still a batsmen/all rounder place
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1106 on: December 08, 2016, 03:44:13 PM »

Buttler give way ? He could well be the next England Captain..

next captain will be root unless he turns it down surely
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1107 on: December 08, 2016, 03:49:01 PM »

Moeen averages 87 at 7 in the order. 3 of his 4 hundreds have been there so send him back. With his style of strokeplay it suits him coming in lower down at Test level.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1108 on: December 08, 2016, 04:07:33 PM »

Moeen's a luxury. If we pick the best spinner it's not Moeen. I'd have Buttler over Moeen everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday. No need to have Moeen batting at 7 if he's a genuine batsman
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1109 on: December 08, 2016, 04:16:41 PM »

next captain will be root unless he turns it down surely

Personally,  I think Root will do a Botham and be a worse player whilst captain.. It's captain Stokesy for me. Has shown maturity and a willingness to play for the team rather than himself over the last 6 months. Seems to thrive on pressure and the lads respect him.
Jos for one day and T20 asap. Natural born leader and another who seems to thrive on pressure..
Simple this selection lark!!
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