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[ppccopener]

England cant do without him Felix, and you must know that too 

what position he bats, he been up and down like I dunno what, has still not been sorted.

he should be down at 7 or 8 IMHO to be most useful for us, plus his bowling

neither is front line batting or bowling but put together he's invaluable.

[Woodyspin]

Moeen's stats are pretty irrelevant. Normally hides at number 7. In this series the only times he scored big runs was on the two flat roads in Rajkot and Madras.

The 3rd player to score 1000 runs and get 30 wickets in a year... But he's irrelevant. Dumb people are dumb.

[Manormanic]

You say not frontline but specialist number six/seven is a frontline role and he performs that very well - he just should not bat any higher in non-Asian conditions.  He has five Test centuries now - thats more than Mark Ramprakash or Graeme Hick, both supposedly front line batsmen, even managed....give him a little bit of credit, eh?

[ppccopener]

You say not frontline but specialist number six/seven is a frontline role and he performs that very well - he just should not bat any higher in non-Asian conditions.  He has five Test centuries now - thats more than Mark Ramprakash or Graeme Hick, both supposedly front line batsmen, even managed....give him a little bit of credit, eh?

see your point, from memory both ramps and hick batted 3,4 6 and 7 for England

back in the day we played 7 specialists...because we didn't have any all rounders

and please no one say Chris Lewis and defreitas, Derek Pringle were genuine all rounders seniorplayer will burst a blood vessel   

hahahahahahahhaha

[roco]

see your point, from memory both ramps and hick batted 3,4 6 and 7 for England

back in the day we played 7 specialists...because we didn't have any all rounders

and please no one say Chris Lewis and defreitas, Derek Pringle were genuine all rounders seniorplayer will burst a blood vessel   

hahahahahahahhaha

maybe not them but gough and cork were surely genuine all rounders??

[Woodyspin]

You forget thwir batting average didnt exceed 20!

[roco]

You forget thwir batting average didnt exceed 20!

whats in averages

if you take a wicket or hit 1 50 your an all rounder in my book

one of the best test allrounders was Gillespie not many get double hundreds and 100 wickets

[Manormanic]

In fairness, you could argue that Alec Stewart was a pretty class all rounder.

[Woodyspin]

whats in averages

if you take a wicket or hit 1 50 your an all rounder in my book

one of the best test allrounders was Gillespie not many get double hundreds and 100 wickets

So we play with an all rounder at the top of the innings in cook and at the bottom with anderson give me strength

[roco]

So we play with an all rounder at the top of the innings in cook and at the bottom with anderson give me strength

yep fine by me

cook should bowl more as looked threatening and please don't tell me you think the burnley lara is not a genuine top 6 being kept low by unrivalled talent above him?

[edge]

You're a proper all-rounder if your batting average is higher than your bowling average, so they say. Joe Root has the highest bowling average that is still lower than batting average in test history, so he's the worst all-rounder ever?

[Felix Tito]

The 3rd player to score 1000 runs and get 30 wickets in a year... But he's irrelevant. Dumb people are dumb.

30 wickets at 50. Sensational stuff 

[richthekeeper]

Darren Gough an all-rounder? do me a favour!

[Woodyspin]

30 wickets at 50. Sensational stuff 

Would rather him get wickets than not at all, if he wasnt taking wickets we would all be calling for him to be dropped as a bowler and considered soley as a batsman.

[brokenbat]

Moeen's stats are pretty irrelevant. Normally hides at number 7. In this series the only times he scored big runs was on the two flat roads in Rajkot and Madras.

so, Younis Khan sucks, Moeen sucks, everyone sucks. Do you not get hugged enough in life?