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[i12breakfree]

^ Has anyone here really done an apples-to-apples comparison? Two bats of same shape, same weight, different grade willow , but pressed by the same bat maker?

What comparison are you looking at?
I have an RS grade 1 in same profile . 2-11 weight
The finishing and initial ping quality sounds same.
Have-not knocked any of the two so cannot comment more and that was the reason to try butterfly.
I guess people you have used butterfly willow recently can comment.

[InternalTraining]

What comparison are you looking at?
I have an RS grade 1 in same profile . 2-11 weight
The finishing and initial ping quality sounds same.
Have-not knocked any of the two so cannot comment more and that was the reason to try butterfly.
I guess people you have used butterfly willow recently can comment.

Finishing doesn't matter, we are discussing performance i.e. ball's rebound off surface of the bat and the speed with which a ball bounces off the face; also, how bats perform in a net or middle situation. So, here is (my crack at ) the initial criteria:
- mallet response of the two bats
- net / middle performance of bats
- under equal load, amount of time it takes for bats to peak

[smilley792]

^ Has anyone here really done an apples-to-apples comparison? Two bats of same shape, same weight, different grade willow , but pressed by the same bat maker?

Twice.

Had the same design b3 made in grade 1 and grade 3 from the same willow. One looked better but they performed the same(dude that bought the G3 one from me scored 1000 plus runs with it last year)


I also had a grade 1 b3 I loved, so had it replicated in the butterfly willow! Both performances were off the charts. 2 of my top 5 bats owned.

[Gurujames]

Case closed.

[InternalTraining]

So, moral of the story is buy the lower grade bat?

[Seniorplayer]

I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford

[i12breakfree]

here's the pic from TON i was referring to earlier



Hope they are not selling this for reserve edition price

[Bats_Entertainment]

Twice.

Had the same design b3 made in grade 1 and grade 3 from the same willow. One looked better but they performed the same(dude that bought the G3 one from me scored 1000 plus runs with it last year)


I also had a grade 1 b3 I loved, so had it replicated in the butterfly willow! Both performances were off the charts. 2 of my top 5 bats owned.

But we know give all grades the same attention. I suggested this might not be the case with other brands. Lower grades might be pressed to be more durable, rather than to ensure optimum performance? (And, yes, I know this doesn't mean hard vs. soft.)

Just speculating.

I received an email from Newbery offering an upgrade from Players to SPS. It was selling it to me by saying "the difference is astounding", or something similar.

[Bats_Entertainment]

I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford

Which, even if you are a millionaire, might actually be a butterfly?

[WalkingWicket37]

I think if you are a serious about your game you should buy nicest pingyest bat you can afford

How do you quantify this though?
If you tap up two bats in a shop, how can you guarantee the "pingier" of the two will still be that after knocking them both in?

Also, I've seen a bat dubbed a plank by one person get sold to a teammate who proclaimed it was the best bat they had ever used.

As much as we all like "hand picked" bats because they were "picked on performance" I feel that ping is a somewhat subjective subject.

[Sitonit]

Some people do find them 'ugly' and they avoid them for that reason. Those people who are less shallow get far less expensive bats that perform as will as any higher grade bats.
Those in the know appreciate the ignorance and snobbery of people who only go for 'pro' grade as it leaves more of the cheaper butterfly's for ourselves.

You are a little ray of sunshine !! No wonder less and less put pics of their bats on.

The bats look brilliant.  Well done sir.

These have been called Butterfly long before the marketing men discovered them! The most sought after bats at one time for their performance..

OK, cry babies..

Look at Ebay Item # 112148598072

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Made-English-Willow-Bat-mongoose-shape-2lb-8oz-35mm-edge-6-grains-SH-/112148598072?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Koy2wX70X5NxPwhZssXsZqr4uPM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

This is what I think a "Butterfly" mark is worth. Does anyone have to agree with it? NO!

Why do I put such a low value on a butterfly marked bat? Tap the mallet on that ugly mark and tap it anywhere else, and you will notice difference ONLY AND ONLY IF YOU ARE NOT HELL BENT TO BLINDLY DEFEND BUTTERFLY MARKS - AND YOU ARE OPEN TO LEARN.

The butterfly mark is a dead zone!

[Sitonit]

@Sitonit it's fine if u don't like butterfly willow but you just went overboard when you said psoriasis.
I have some one close who has psoriasis and life is not easy with a disease which doesn't have a cure.
So think before you write.

Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.

But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.

I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?

anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.

[Sitonit]

here's the pic from TON i was referring to earlier



Hope they are not selling this for reserve edition price

A low profile CRICKETER who could be a very nice human being so nothing personal against him.
It's quite possible that TON has accumiliated hundred and thousands of these butterfly mark clefts as part of their huge shipments that gets filtered out, and these clefts are rejected but TON needs to move them and make big money.

So now they have paid him some money to take a photo with such an ugly willow in an attempt to set a new, yet false, trend of making people think that butterfly marks is the modern way to go to get high performance and show off. My foot!

[simonmay5]

Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.

But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.

I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?

anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.

I think your taking the p**s now and if you think it ok to take the Micky out of someone with a disability you really are sick all I can say I hope I never meet you or your end up with a disability yourself 😡

[tom line]

Dude, Sorry about your loved one who has psoriasis, and I hope they recover soon.

But seriously, do you think I know you or your friend and I intentionally said it? I apologize anyway but seriously, you need to be a bit more mature.

I have a butterfly garden for example, and I see that one of my favorite butterflies died for whatever reason. Now someone mentions a "butterfly" mark on a cricket bat on an internet forum, should I ask for a tissue paper to wipe my tears?

anyway, all the best to your loved one. Say Hi to them for me.

Probably a little ironic you telling him to be more mature and then you post something like that, I can lend you a mirror if you'd like to use that to look at yourself before judging others. And the fact you say hope they recover soon from a disease that has no cure just furthers the view of just how immature you are in my mind as does your analogy of your butterfly garden being compared to a life changing disease