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[Seniorplayer]

 butterfly stains in the willow are imperfections  although the marks add strengh to the bat and the stained area is harder willow with  butterfly  stain is not graded

[InternalTraining]

I think when you are paying for a "higher" grade bat, you are essentially reducing or eliminating the possibility that a bat won't perform. I would love to buy bats with ugly faces at cheap prices if they all performed. Unfortunately, that is not the reality. Not all ugly faced bats are performers or early performers.

[Gurujames]

I think when you are paying for a "higher" grade bat, you are essentially reducing or eliminating the possibility that a bat won't perform. I would love to buy bats with ugly faces at cheap prices if they all performed. Unfortunately, that is not the reality. Not all ugly faced bats are performers or early performers.

I don't agree. I have had lovely looking planks from big brand companies. I have found every bat from respected makers have performed very well for me. Personally I have found some of the larger brand offerings a little hit and miss.

[Bats_Entertainment]

Some better looking butterfly is now classed as Grade 2 by J.S. Wright's.

[Seniorplayer]

Yes I have also had that once brought a bat from a shop and found it to be a plank sent it back to the big player  manufacturer  for there opinion and they  replaced it.

[Seniorplayer]

Some better looking butterfly is now classed as Grade 2 by J.S. Wright's.

Grade 2 butterfly

[Bats_Entertainment]

Grade 2 butterfly

No, grade 2.

[Sitonit]

The reality is that I don't have a lot of time during or before season to knock (net or mallet) a bat to prepare it. Naturally, the bat that opens up quickly with little effort is the winner. I am not the only one who feels this way and this is the reality of today's amateur/hobbyist cricketer. Having said that, bats that open up quickly or are not less durable than ones that take a long time.

No, you are totally wrong. Absolutely dead wrong!! Or perhaps you are knowingly shooting from the hip to defend butterfly marks because you think you know more cricket.

Think about it.
If there was an iota of truth in butterfly marks creating more ping after extensive knocking then international pros would all have had these bats with double triple butterfly marks, specially knocked in for them either by the sponsoring company, manufacturer or by hired professionals.

May be YOU don't have the time for extra knocking into the butterfly marks but international players have the MONEY to get this done by a third party.

[billyb]

I really don't get this aggressive line of argumentation. It doesn't reflect well on @Sitonit at all. Can't you just agree to disagree, or do you have to enforce your opinions on forumites like a conqueror of a foreign land?

[FattusCattus]

No, you are totally wrong. Absolutely dead wrong!! Or perhaps you are knowingly shooting from the hip to defend butterfly marks because you think you know more cricket.

NO! NO! For God's sake man, don't sit on the fence- say what you mean!

[Bats_Entertainment]

Is this the same fella that, about a week ago, was equally insistent that being soft pressed was what made bats perform well?

[Sitonit]

I really don't get this aggressive line of argumentation. It doesn't reflect well on @Sitonit at all. Can't you just agree to disagree, or do you have to enforce your opinions on forumites like a conqueror of a foreign land?

Well, may be this argument is not for the faint hearted so you can excuse yourself. hehehe

The reason behind this argument (and many of my arguments ) is to wake this dying forum up !!!.

There are hardly more posts here. No discussion, no ideas, no nothing.

Once in a while someone tries to show off his crappy bat by uploading some grainy pixilated photos, and rest of the clan starts saying ... "wow,, wow,, wow... what a bat, what bat, what a beauty yada yada yada".... and that's about it.

WE MUST DISAGREE WITH WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING - otherwise you are more than welcome to keep browning your nose!

[Sitonit]

NO! NO! For God's sake man, don't sit on the fence- say what you mean!

lol haha

[FattusCattus]

The reason behind this argument (and many of my arguments ) is to wake this dying forum up !!!.

If this forum is dying - feel free to be the rat that leaves the sinking ship.

[dcullen8]

then international pros would all have had these bats with double triple butterfly marks

Ah yes, pros with huge sponsorship deals wielding ugly bats on the tv, thatll really make the bats fly off the shelf